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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 21:25:16 GMT
I think the teacher must have had some idea it wouldn't go down well with some of the locals.However,he should be allowed the freedom to encourage stimulating debate amongst his students.I've read that a fair few of the protesters are trouble-makers who don't even have children at the school.The same thing happened at a school in Brum where folk were protesting about sex education lessons.There are times when I wonder just what country I'm living in... I read that before it was shown (as part of a lesson) that the class was warned and told that any who felt it was against their beliefs to see it should temporarily leave the class
....... unfortunately I can't remember where I saw this........ However if this is in fact true then all those objecting should be told to do one
I saw that as well. It ended up on Twitter but originally I saw nick Robinson state it.
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Post by Trina on Mar 27, 2021 21:29:54 GMT
I think the teacher must have had some idea it wouldn't go down well with some of the locals.However,he should be allowed the freedom to encourage stimulating debate amongst his students.I've read that a fair few of the protesters are trouble-makers who don't even have children at the school.The same thing happened at a school in Brum where folk were protesting about sex education lessons.There are times when I wonder just what country I'm living in... I read that before it was shown (as part of a lesson) that the class was warned and told that any who felt it was against their beliefs to see it should temporarily leave the class
....... unfortunately I can't remember where I saw this........ However if this is in fact true then all those objecting should be told to do one
About 12 years ago before I retired,I had a Muslim lass in my class who really had no respect for folk who were not Muslim.She used to sneer at me & the assistant head(we shared a class).Everything was what her dad said-we were not proper women as we had short hair,real women had long hair.We should have been at home looking after our men so as not to demean them.We should have covered our legs(short skirts suited me back then😁).It was strange as we'd had her two older brothers in our class with no probs at all.In fact,dad had given us wine at Christmas & in July as we deserved it.Parents'eve came & we challenged him.It turned out that Hafsa had started Saturday school at the mosque & was becoming more & more religious.Dad did actually do something about it which Hafsa complained about for the rest of the school year.To me it shows just how easy it could be to radicalise a young person even without their family really understanding what's going on. Footnote-one brother married a Westernised Muslim,second brother lives with an Irish guy & Hafsa had an arranged marriage to a cousin from Pakistan.
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Post by bodger on Mar 28, 2021 7:22:33 GMT
Sky News reviewed an article in the papers today where the teacher's Muslim next-door neighbour said the teacher was a very nice bloke and was definitely not islamaphobic - his children received Eid cards and sweets from the teacher every year.
It would seem from this example and from Trina's account that the driving forces in Islam in the UK are scared shitless that their fairytale belief may become the subject of serious discussion and thereby undermined. The breakdown of religious belief and the associated cultural norms can happen extremely quickly once such discussions become widespread - catholisim in Ireland is a case in point.
A close relative of mine dated an arabian royal princess who had divorced her husband by an arranged marriage. She spent much of her time in self-imposed exile in the UK and the USA. She admitted that her family, including the Ruler, had no muslim belief but were quite happy to use (abuse) it, including appearing highly devout when necessary, in order to retain law and order in their country. Sounds a bit like Tudor England in the 16th century AD. Muslims are currently enjoying their own 15th century. Is this a cycle that religions have to go through as they evolve, and produce new dogma to keep the ornery folk in line?
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Post by patty on Mar 28, 2021 7:35:46 GMT
I think the teacher must have had some idea it wouldn't go down well with some of the locals.However,he should be allowed the freedom to encourage stimulating debate amongst his students.I've read that a fair few of the protesters are trouble-makers who don't even have children at the school.The same thing happened at a school in Brum where folk were protesting about sex education lessons.There are times when I wonder just what country I'm living in... I read that before it was shown (as part of a lesson) that the class was warned and told that any who felt it was against their beliefs to see it should temporarily leave the class
....... unfortunately I can't remember where I saw this........ However if this is in fact true then all those objecting should be told to do one
I read that as well...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 7:55:30 GMT
With any luck the younger generation, at least the more intelligent specimens, will see through all this and reject religion as they get older, and perhaps it will die out naturally.
That would be good. Not worth putting an individual's life at risk for but definitely at good outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 8:08:23 GMT
With any luck the younger generation, at least the more intelligent specimens, will see through all this and reject religion as they get older, and perhaps it will die out naturally. That would be good. Not worth putting an individual's life at risk for but definitely at good outcome. Don't hold your breath
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Post by JohnV on Mar 28, 2021 8:37:21 GMT
With any luck the younger generation, at least the more intelligent specimens, will see through all this and reject religion as they get older, and perhaps it will die out naturally. That would be good. Not worth putting an individual's life at risk for but definitely at good outcome. Don't hold your breath agree that "die out" extremely unlikely ....... just an acceptance that nobody has "the truth" and you shouldn't force your "truth" down anybody elses throat, would be fine
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 9:19:35 GMT
With any luck the younger generation, at least the more intelligent specimens, will see through all this and reject religion as they get older, and perhaps it will die out naturally. That would be good. Not worth putting an individual's life at risk for but definitely at good outcome. Can’t see that happening. I reckon their religion will eventually become the strongest in this country, and once they hold positions within councils and government, they will become a force to be reckoned with. Fanatical freaks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 9:36:28 GMT
agree that "die out" extremely unlikely ....... just an acceptance that nobody has "the truth" and you shouldn't force your "truth" down anybody elses throat, would be fine Can you guess what Ross has in common with the faithful?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 28, 2021 10:17:31 GMT
Muslim chap on t.v. the other day, seemed very angry. He explained his anger, saying it was wrong for people to emit this blasphemy "hiding under the cloak of freedom of speech". He's mistaken. This country, culture, call it what you will, has freedom of speech as one of its overriding principles. OK, it would be fair to say, this freedom of speech has been eroded by some communism inspired undesirables, enabling this chap, and others like him, to make such accusations without the ridicule that should be justified. At the end of the day though, this chap is part of a small minority. As such, in a democracy, there's no right to enforce the rights demanded, upon the majority. Certainly, the attempt to achieve this via threats of murder and violence are not acceptable and ought to be stamped upon by the authorities.
At the end of the day the chap in question and others like him ought to examine their options. If living in a society that has freedom of speech is so abhorrent to them there may be possibilities for them to live elsewhere, where the culture and associated laws are more to their liking.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 28, 2021 10:26:22 GMT
agree that "die out" extremely unlikely ....... just an acceptance that nobody has "the truth" and you shouldn't force your "truth" down anybody elses throat, would be fine Can you guess what Ross has in common with the faithful?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 10:33:34 GMT
Muslim chap on t.v. the other day, seemed very angry. He explained his anger, saying it was wrong for people to emit this blasphemy "hiding under the cloak of freedom of speech". He's mistaken. This country, culture, call it what you will, has freedom of speech as one of its overriding principles. OK, it would be fair to say, this freedom of speech has been eroded by some communism inspired undesirables, enabling this chap, and others like him, to make such accusations without the ridicule that should be justified. At the end of the day though, this chap is part of a small minority. As such, in a democracy, there's no right to enforce the rights demanded, upon the majority. Certainly, the attempt to achieve this via threats of murder and violence are not acceptable and ought to be stamped upon by the authorities. At the end of the day the chap in question and others like him ought to examine their options. If living in a society that has freedom of speech is so abhorrent to them there may be possibilities for them to live elsewhere, where the culture and associated laws are more to their liking. Whilst not disagreeing with you, the publicity given to the minority views expressed tends to significantly exaggerate their importance. As with many 'factions' in religion, politics, sport or any other facet of our lives ... the majority are happy to pursue their goals, beliefs, or dreams, quietly and peacefully. Rog
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Post by JohnV on Mar 28, 2021 11:03:41 GMT
Muslim chap on t.v. the other day, seemed very angry. He explained his anger, saying it was wrong for people to emit this blasphemy "hiding under the cloak of freedom of speech". He's mistaken. This country, culture, call it what you will, has freedom of speech as one of its overriding principles. OK, it would be fair to say, this freedom of speech has been eroded by some communism inspired undesirables, enabling this chap, and others like him, to make such accusations without the ridicule that should be justified. At the end of the day though, this chap is part of a small minority. As such, in a democracy, there's no right to enforce the rights demanded, upon the majority. Certainly, the attempt to achieve this via threats of murder and violence are not acceptable and ought to be stamped upon by the authorities. At the end of the day the chap in question and others like him ought to examine their options. If living in a society that has freedom of speech is so abhorrent to them there may be possibilities for them to live elsewhere, where the culture and associated laws are more to their liking. very much agree
It needs pointing out to them the absurdity, that they or their parents came to this country because of it's freedoms and now they are here, they want to start getting rid of them.
If they didn't wish freedom, why are they here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 11:25:02 GMT
If you or I congregated outside an Islamic school shouting abuse of any kind, it’s pretty much a fact we would all be rounded up, arrested and charged with hate crimes in a heartbeat. Yet the same doesn’t seem to apply to those protesting outside Batley Grammar School. Why? Because they’ve already established themselves as the untouchables. This is something that needs to be addressed before it becomes common place. I find it abhorrent that a previously respected teacher is being targeted and victimised by a bunch of facist scum that don’t seem to be making any attempt to integrate with our own culture. Round em up and deport them.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 28, 2021 11:45:49 GMT
If you or I congregated outside an Islamic school shouting abuse of any kind, it’s pretty much a fact we would all be rounded up, arrested and charged with hate crimes in a heartbeat. Yet the same doesn’t seem to apply to those protesting outside Batley Grammar School. Why? Because they’ve already established themselves as the untouchables. This is something that needs to be addressed before it becomes common place. I find it abhorrent that a previously respected teacher is being targeted and victimised by a bunch of facist scum that don’t seem to be making any attempt to integrate with our own culture. Round em up and deport them. It would never happen. On the contrary: it's inevitable that so called hate laws will be strengthened by the so called progressive powers that be. If you call someone a black bastard before beating them up you'll get a higher sentence than if you call them a fat bastard. This makes no sense, it's simply replacing one form of discrimination with another.
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