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Post by Jim on May 1, 2021 8:37:20 GMT
So what are you doing personally to combat climate change apart from producing more hot air? "UK at âzero emissionsâ is a bit like putting your fag out, while your neighbours (India and China) burn a mile high stack of old car tyres, asbestos and coal for five centuries. Virtue signalling tosh that will make every twat unable to use the roads or air travel unless a multi-millionaire. Theyâre even going after central heating. Within a decade or two you wonât be able to use gas central heating. Youâll need to pay for solar/wind/magic fairy powered central heating which will be shite, unreliable and expensive. Non of this shit will bother the rich. You see, the very rich can âcarbon offsetâ and do what the fuck they want." So what are you doing personally to combat climate change apart from producing more hot air?
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Post by naughtyfox on May 1, 2021 11:23:36 GMT
"UK at âzero emissionsâ is a bit like putting your fag out, while your neighbours (India and China) burn a mile high stack of old car tyres, asbestos and coal for five centuries. Virtue signalling tosh that will make every twat unable to use the roads or air travel unless a multi-millionaire. Theyâre even going after central heating. Within a decade or two you wonât be able to use gas central heating. Youâll need to pay for solar/wind/magic fairy powered central heating which will be shite, unreliable and expensive. Non of this shit will bother the rich. You see, the very rich can âcarbon offsetâ and do what the fuck they want." So what are you doing personally to combat climate change apart from producing more hot air? Cutting more trees down this weekend to keep ourselves snuggly warm for the coming winters. Not just hot air, but lots of 'particulates' too! But we do use the same bags for shopping over and over again... but then what's the point when everyone is ordering billions of plastic Covid test kits Made in China? Oh yeah... this morning I returned our plastic drinks bottles and metal drinks cans to the shop. They are supposedly recycled. But we all know they just go into landfill.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 1, 2021 12:28:15 GMT
"UK at âzero emissionsâ is a bit like putting your fag out, while your neighbours (India and China) burn a mile high stack of old car tyres, asbestos and coal for five centuries. Virtue signalling tosh that will make every twat unable to use the roads or air travel unless a multi-millionaire. Theyâre even going after central heating. Within a decade or two you wonât be able to use gas central heating. Youâll need to pay for solar/wind/magic fairy powered central heating which will be shite, unreliable and expensive. Non of this shit will bother the rich. You see, the very rich can âcarbon offsetâ and do what the fuck they want." So what are you doing personally to combat climate change apart from producing more hot air? Jim you keep asking everyone if they are doing their bit. There's no harm in people doing their bit. I do mine and you do yours. The solution though is not to pit one person against another causing divides, this will achieve nothing. The solution is for world leaders to accept that meaningful change is needed to correct the problem. That is, to end the growth in worldwide consumption while introducing measures to mitigate the harm caused by current levels of consumption. Simple really. How this is put in place is a lot more complicated of course but the first step, as with all problems, is to recognise and acknowledge the root cause.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 17:20:28 GMT
Harebells?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 17:55:15 GMT
So what are you doing personally to combat climate change apart from producing more hot air? Jim you keep asking everyone if they are doing their bit. There's no harm in people doing their bit. I do mine and you do yours. The solution though is not to pit one person against another causing divides, this will achieve nothing. The solution is for world leaders to accept that meaningful change is needed to correct the problem. That is, to end the growth in worldwide consumption while introducing measures to mitigate the harm caused by current levels of consumption. Simple really. How this is put in place is a lot more complicated of course but the first step, as with all problems, is to recognise and acknowledge the root cause. To expect any capitalist society to adopt any such measure is a bit like supposing a pig might develop a taste for chamber music. The worst thing that can happen to the economy is that the populace stop consuming. We're doomed. Doomed, I tell ye.
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Post by Trina on May 1, 2021 19:34:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 19:44:35 GMT
 Pirkko says they are Scilla:  "Scilla siberica is also known as Siberian squill and spring beauty. Each bulb sends up multiple stems topped with dainty blue flowers that resemble little parasols. These cobalt blue blossoms provide one of nature's purest blues. At just 4â tall, the flowers make their impact with quantity, not size. Scilla siberica blooms early (at the same time as crocuses and early daffodils) and the foliage fades away quickly after flowering. This makes them a good choice for planting beneath shrubs, at the base of trees or even right in the lawn."  I wonder if there are any narrowboats called Siberian Squill. Probably not. Squills was the other one I was thinking of. I think squills are a bulb plant whereas harebells are not. We used to get Squills in home park (Hampton Court) when I took the dogs there back in the late 80s. Nice flowers. I like flowers. Maaan.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 1, 2021 21:34:39 GMT
Jim you keep asking everyone if they are doing their bit. There's no harm in people doing their bit. I do mine and you do yours. The solution though is not to pit one person against another causing divides, this will achieve nothing. The solution is for world leaders to accept that meaningful change is needed to correct the problem. That is, to end the growth in worldwide consumption while introducing measures to mitigate the harm caused by current levels of consumption. Simple really. How this is put in place is a lot more complicated of course but the first step, as with all problems, is to recognise and acknowledge the root cause. To expect any capitalist society to adopt any such measure is a bit like supposing a pig might develop a taste for chamber music. The worst thing that can happen to the economy is that the populace stop consuming. We're doomed. Doomed, I tell ye. I fear that you're right. Oh well, at least I don't have to worry about children and grandchildren of mine suffering from the inevitable. I suppose I shouldn't really give a shit, I should just consume as much as possible and to hell with everything. Can't bring myself to think this way, for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 22:41:55 GMT
To expect any capitalist society to adopt any such measure is a bit like supposing a pig might develop a taste for chamber music. The worst thing that can happen to the economy is that the populace stop consuming. We're doomed. Doomed, I tell ye. I fear that you're right. Oh well, at least I don't have to worry about children and grandchildren of mine suffering from the inevitable. I suppose I shouldn't really give a shit, I should just consume as much as possible and to hell with everything. Can't bring myself to think this way, for some reason. Please continue giving a shit, just as many others do, including myself. I just feel that any such sentiments are pissing into the wind. Most folks will absolutely not give any kind of shit whatsoever until their own personal bubble is threatened, and here in the west that eventuality is still for the most part a distance away. It is anathema to the process of profit generation and the accumulation of wealth, which requires no purpose other than to exist, that the all-important factor of growth achieved through consumer activity be denied.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 2, 2021 7:06:34 GMT
I fear that you're right. Oh well, at least I don't have to worry about children and grandchildren of mine suffering from the inevitable. I suppose I shouldn't really give a shit, I should just consume as much as possible and to hell with everything. Can't bring myself to think this way, for some reason. Please continue giving a shit, just as many others do, including myself. I just feel that any such sentiments are pissing into the wind. Most folks will absolutely not give any kind of shit whatsoever until their own personal bubble is threatened, and here in the west that eventuality is still for the most part a distance away. It is anathema to the process of profit generation and the accumulation of wealth, which requires no purpose other than to exist, that the all-important factor of growth achieved through consumer activity be denied. Continuing to give a shit isn't a choice for me. It's instinctive. What baffles me is that those more heavily invested in this i.e. those with offspring don't always give a shit. I really can't get my head around this. If I was in this position myself I'd be raging and more than likely involved in some kind of action, beyond typing angry words to strangers on the internet. The fact that I don't do this is because my anger is tempered by personal interests i.e. I'm middle aged, reasonably comfortable and am unlikely to be hugely affected, personally. A bit selfish I suppose but that's human nature, right?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 7:32:37 GMT
I've got children. I am quite a low consumer actually. Never use airplanes, economical small car, no investments in dirty industries etc but I still think it will probably sort itself out.
Humans are pretty durable. Ok there will be shitty wars in some places but that has always happened. Weather will get warmer yes but that's ok.
I will start worrying when the insects start disappearing.
This is when the shit hits the fan..
It's no use saying people should not have children. You can't alter nature.
Yes it would be useful if people had -fewer- children but this may happen naturally.
Some discussion that in China the population may actually be falling.
Another way in which you can't alter nature is greed. It's an animal instinct.
Of course humans in theory can bypass certain instincts by using their brains but it appears that greed is not one of those things.
And sadly the systems are set up to reward greed.
"Success" is based mainly on how much money you can get hold of. It is worshipped.
If that could change them things might get more interesting but it won't change.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 8:08:47 GMT
I'm coming round to the idea that littering should be encouraged.
There are people quietly making many millions of pounds out of rubbish and they would much rather we put it in bins do it can all be swept under the carpet.
Overconsumption is an obvious problem. If everyone dropped all their rubbish on the streets/fields one day a week perhaps some discussions could be had about the path humans are taking.
Face masks dumped randomly might help with this. Who knows.
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Post by Jim on May 2, 2021 11:14:58 GMT
So what are you doing personally to combat climate change apart from producing more hot air? Jim you keep asking everyone if they are doing their bit. There's no harm in people doing their bit. I do mine and you do yours. The solution though is not to pit one person against another causing divides, this will achieve nothing. The solution is for world leaders to accept that meaningful change is needed to correct the problem. That is, to end the growth in worldwide consumption while introducing measures to mitigate the harm caused by current levels of consumption. Simple really. How this is put in place is a lot more complicated of course but the first step, as with all problems, is to recognise and acknowledge the root cause.  Who is this "everyone"? Nah, just baiting the fox. Otherwise, I agree but will keep on doing my bit meanwhile, mentioning it now and again if I feel like it.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 2, 2021 16:30:44 GMT
I've got children. I am quite a low consumer actually. Never use airplanes, economical small car, no investments in dirty industries etc but I still think it will probably sort itself out. Humans are pretty durable. Ok there will be shitty wars in some places but that has always happened. Weather will get warmer yes but that's ok. I will start worrying when the insects start disappearing. This is when the shit hits the fan.. It's no use saying people should not have children. You can't alter nature. Yes it would be useful if people had -fewer- children but this may happen naturally. Some discussion that in China the population may actually be falling. Another way in which you can't alter nature is greed. It's an animal instinct. Of course humans in theory can bypass certain instincts by using their brains but it appears that greed is not one of those things. And sadly the systems are set up to reward greed. "Success" is based mainly on how much money you can get hold of. It is worshipped. If that could change them things might get more interesting but it won't change. Nuance is required. Nobody would suggest that people should stop having children. A more stable world population doesn't require people to stop having children. People die, every day. The aim ought to be that the number of children born every day roughly matches the number of people who die. In developed countries this could be achieved by changes in fiscal policy. Having children should be less affordable, encouraging a little more thought before deciding to procreate and possibly, an increase in personal responsibility as regards sexual behaviour. An indicator for this being achieved might be when there's no longer a clamour for 'governments' to build hundreds of thousands of houses every year. The inverted commas are there because governments don't build houses. The houses we already have can be maintained, there's no need to build any more. Over in the third world, some places don't have the resources to keep the numbers of people there alive. That's unfortunate, it won't be solved by providing food aid. Rather, food aid will only perpetuate the problem. It's cruel to be kind, sometimes, but the cruelty that will result from maintaining the destructive status quo will far outweigh this, I'd suggest.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 2, 2021 20:53:32 GMT
'Conspiracy Theory' becoming true: "How Beijing is buying up Britain: Chinese investors 'have spent ÂŁ134 BILLION on UK assets including infrastructure, private schools and FTSE 100 firms' Chinese investors have stakes in key infrastructure firms such as Thames Water Heathrow and UK Power Networks also have Chinese stakeholders, reports say There is also reportedly at least ÂŁ57billion Chinese investment in FTSE 100 firms Of ÂŁ134billion total, ÂŁ44billion said to be from Chinese state-owned companies" "Loyal members of the Chinese Communist Party are working in British consulates, universities and for some of the UK's leading companies" Just who is running Britain? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9534637/Chinese-investors-spend-134-BILLION-UK-assets-including-infrastructure-FTSE-100-firms.html
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