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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 16:47:12 GMT
If by 'we' (vaccine passports) you mean you, your family perhaps, fair play. If by 'we' you mean everyone, not so. You have no more right to impose something on me than I do on you. So, no, we, the wider public, each an individual in their own right, should not have the need for vaccine passports imposed on them. I also have a right to know if someone is likely to be infectious or not, if they wish to share a space with me as do you, I am happy to provide you with that information. Good on you. (What a load of bollox). Some of your posts should be certified, some of the nonsense you spout should definitely have one of those triangular warning signs. Thank Christ you never venture far from home.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 7, 2021 17:17:52 GMT
We have responsibilities to others. I also have a right to know if someone is likely to be infectious or not How do we know you're not infectious, Jim? Just because you've fallen for Boris's lies and gone and begged to be 'jabbed' doesn't mean you don't have Covid and can't spread it! Our Jim seems a bit slow on the uptake on that one. Anyway forget clotted cream on your 'staycations' in Devon and the like this summer, blood clots seem more likely. Under 30's will be offered an alternative to the AZ vaccine potion, as the evidence towards this causing clots 'firms up'. I didn't realise that only youngsters get blood clots, what do I know. Or can anyone get blood clots, but youngsters more important somehow, Covid usurping the previous obsession of 'equality'?
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 7, 2021 17:53:48 GMT
If some one had bad covid and then the long term effects would their antibodies protect them for longer? Thats the one that puzzles me.. Do they then need a vaccine when their turn comes or can they wait having got protection... As far as I can tell having the vaccine gives you better and longer lasting protection than having bad covid. Not sure why, maybe the vaccine is targeted at a specific and enduring part of the virus, whereas the general human body response is fairly random and might latch on to a part of the virus that is prone to mutation. Just guessing!
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 7, 2021 18:01:20 GMT
Am glad I waited before loading myself with the chimpanzee vaccine. 19 deaths from blood clotting that they reckon they cannot prove is related to Astra Zeneca, but reckon it probably is. Bloody snake oil words. Well if those 19 people had not had the vaccine, would they have had blood clots anyway (or an equivalent number)? Most of them, it seems. The probability is so remote and the stats even now, not big enough, to be able to come to a definite conclusion or even one within 3 standard deviations. One thing is for sure - if you do get covid, your chances of getting a blood clot and or dying increase by a thousand fold or more, especially if you are old. Of course if you are very young (ie a child) your probability of dying from covid is extremely small and thus the benefits from having the vaccine start to approach the (possible, but unproven) dangers of having it. In your case you have explained your reluctance to have the AZ and I totally respect that, whilst still thinking it is not really based on science.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 7, 2021 18:05:47 GMT
And as to vaccine passports, well of course it is SO UNFAIR and I am going to go into a big girly sulk about having to carry documentation that shows I am relatively plague-free. Once that has been firmly stuffed back in its box I am going to start a campaign to abolish the human rights tragedies of having to have a driving licence, having to have a pilot's licence, having to have a passport to go abroad, having to show my bus pass before getting a free bus ride, having to prove who I am by means of a bank card and PIN before I can spend MY MONEY. Yes life is full of unfair breaches of my HUMAN RIGHTS and I intend to do something about it! SO UNFAIR
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 18:30:23 GMT
Am glad I waited before loading myself with the chimpanzee vaccine. 19 deaths from blood clotting that they reckon they cannot prove is related to Astra Zeneca, but reckon it probably is. Bloody snake oil words. Well if those 19 people had not had the vaccine, would they have had blood clots anyway (or an equivalent number)? Most of them, it seems. The probability is so remote and the stats even now, not big enough, to be able to come to a definite conclusion or even one within 3 standard deviations. One thing is for sure - if you do get covid, your chances of getting a blood clot and or dying increase by a thousand fold or more, especially if you are old. Of course if you are very young (ie a child) your probability of dying from covid is extremely small and thus the benefits from having the vaccine start to approach the (possible, but unproven) dangers of having it. In your case you have explained your reluctance to have the AZ and I totally respect that, whilst still thinking it is not really based on science. I appreciate what you’re saying, but one other scenario is that a good number of the population has the ability to fight the virus naturally, to the extent that some although testing positive have had no symptoms whatsoever. If the test had not been made, they wouldn’t have even realised they had the virus. Having done some deep reading on it, and although I am obviously not an expert, I still believe the az vaccine has an issue. This needs to be addressed, as it’s all very well talking about numbers and stats, but 70 people have had a wake up call, of which 19 lost their lives. Even in the bigger picture, that is not acceptable, especially when there are alternatives, albeit a bit more expensive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 18:37:59 GMT
And as to vaccine passports, well of course it is SO UNFAIR and I am going to go into a big girly sulk about having to carry documentation that shows I am relatively plague-free. Once that has been firmly stuffed back in its box I am going to start a campaign to abolish the human rights tragedies of having to have a driving licence, having to have a pilot's licence, having to have a passport to go abroad, having to show my bus pass before getting a free bus ride, having to prove who I am by means of a bank card and PIN before I can spend MY MONEY. Yes life is full of unfair breaches of my HUMAN RIGHTS and I intend to do something about it! SO UNFAIR The vaccine passports are wrong, and in actual fact will probably damage the economy rather than strengthen it. There are quite strong feelings on the subject, and your comparisons have no bearing on the argument really. On saying that, I do realise you like to make the odd facetious post, and the above is probably one of them.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 7, 2021 18:46:39 GMT
Am glad I waited before loading myself with the chimpanzee vaccine. 19 deaths from blood clotting that they reckon they cannot prove is related to Astra Zeneca, but reckon it probably is. Bloody snake oil words. 19 deaths that might possibly be linked to Astra Zenica versus how many millions of jabs?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 18:48:58 GMT
Am glad I waited before loading myself with the chimpanzee vaccine. 19 deaths from blood clotting that they reckon they cannot prove is related to Astra Zeneca, but reckon it probably is. Bloody snake oil words. 19 deaths that might possibly be linked to Astra Zenica versus how many millions of jabs? How would you feel if one of the 19 was you? A silly question I know, because you’d be dead so wouldn’t have any feelings, but I’m sure you get my drift.
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Post by Trina on Apr 7, 2021 18:58:20 GMT
I've had my first jab & have a date for my second.I'm now going to show my true colours by saying I've done it for ME.Yes,I want to keep numbers down,but I'm more interested in me. I really do not want to have to use a Covid jab passport,it smacks too much of 'Big Brother'.My rellies lived in a Communist country(Poland) & I do not wish to replicate their lifestyle.If I can't go to a pub,concert etc,then so be it. I want more of a normal life,not a new style existance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 19:06:57 GMT
I've had my first jab & have a date for my second.I'm now going to show my true colours by saying I've done it for ME.Yes,I want to keep numbers down,but I'm more interested in me. I really do not want to have to use a Covid jab passport,it smacks too much of 'Big Brother'.My rellies lived in a Communist country(Poland) & I do not wish to replicate their lifestyle.If I can't go to a pub,concert etc,then so be it. I want more of a normal life,not a new style existance. Exactly, and the thing is, there are hundreds of thousands with exactly that same attitude.
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Post by Jim on Apr 7, 2021 19:15:40 GMT
And as to vaccine passports, well of course it is SO UNFAIR and I am going to go into a big girly sulk about having to carry documentation that shows I am relatively plague-free. Once that has been firmly stuffed back in its box I am going to start a campaign to abolish the human rights tragedies of having to have a driving licence, having to have a pilot's licence, having to have a passport to go abroad, having to show my bus pass before getting a free bus ride, having to prove who I am by means of a bank card and PIN before I can spend MY MONEY. Yes life is full of unfair breaches of my HUMAN RIGHTS and I intend to do something about it! SO UNFAIR There there diddums do! Have a hanky, dry your eyes and man up now.
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Post by Jim on Apr 7, 2021 19:17:35 GMT
Am glad I waited before loading myself with the chimpanzee vaccine. 19 deaths from blood clotting that they reckon they cannot prove is related to Astra Zeneca, but reckon it probably is. Bloody snake oil words. 19 deaths that might possibly be linked to Astra Zenica versus how many millions of jabs? It's one per million chance. Now there is an excuse to run about like a headless chicken.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 7, 2021 19:31:09 GMT
19 deaths that might possibly be linked to Astra Zenica versus how many millions of jabs? How would you feel if one of the 19 was you? A silly question I know, because you’d be dead so wouldn’t have any feelings, but I’m sure you get my drift.
The risk factor of 0.000002% that is pretty low. (and that assumes that nobody develops this problem anyway where in fact we know that there a few die of it every year anyway)
I don't worry about being struck by lightning yet the odds, I understand, make it more likely.
considering the odds on getting seriously ill with Covid run at about 1 in 10 ......... I'll take the 0.000002% odds thank you
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Post by patty on Apr 7, 2021 19:33:16 GMT
Am glad I waited before loading myself with the chimpanzee vaccine. 19 deaths from blood clotting that they reckon they cannot prove is related to Astra Zeneca, but reckon it probably is. Bloody snake oil words. 19 deaths that might possibly be linked to Astra Zenica versus how many millions of jabs? they havn't as far as I know, released any other data ref the 19 deaths..apart from more women than men... Were they smokers? on certain meds(e.g the pill if younger women)...overweight etc etc...without knowledge of the full story how can any judge? Also so few with so many vaccinated..nothing is without risk nowdays. Look at the trouble over the MMR vaccine and its supposed link to autism....so many people didn't vaccinate their kids Before any conclusions can be reached full facts are needed.
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