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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 19:43:53 GMT
How would you feel if one of the 19 was you? A silly question I know, because you’d be dead so wouldn’t have any feelings, but I’m sure you get my drift. The risk factor of 0.000002% that is pretty low. (and that assumes that nobody develops this problem anyway where in fact we know that there a few die of it every year anyway) I don't worry about being struck by lightning yet the odds, I understand, make it more likely. considering the odds on getting seriously ill with Covid run at about 1 in 10 ......... I'll take the 0.000002% odds thank you
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 19:46:07 GMT
19 deaths that might possibly be linked to Astra Zenica versus how many millions of jabs? they havn't as far as I know, released any other data ref the 19 deaths..apart from more women than men... Were they smokers? on certain meds(e.g the pill if younger women)...overweight etc etc...without knowledge of the full story how can any judge? Also so few with so many vaccinated..nothing is without risk nowdays. Look at the trouble over the MMR vaccine and its supposed link to autism....so many people didn't vaccinate their kids Before any conclusions can be reached full facts are needed. They did explain why they thought that particular vaccine may be effecting blood platelets.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 20:28:01 GMT
The fact that they, (whoever they are) have decided to look at alternative vaccines for under 30’s is quite telling in itself. The small fact that 4-5 on here believe the risk is acceptable and of little consequence, thankfully has no significance.
What I suspect now is the likelihood of people flatly refusing the az vaccine, and that’s not a bad thing. Hopefully the alternatives have been better tested.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 7, 2021 20:47:04 GMT
I really do not want to have to use a Covid jab passport,it smacks too much of 'Big Brother'.My rellies lived in a Communist country(Poland) & I do not wish to replicate their lifestyle.If I can't go to a pub,concert etc,then so be it. Same here. My phone doesn't do "apps", I'm not getting a new one, and even if I did I wouldn't be prepared to use it to gain permission to enter a pub. I'll just stick to drinking supermarket and convenience shop beer (which is a fraction of the price anyway) as will no doubt millions of others and if publicans go bust as a consequence then that's just their tough shit.
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Post by ianali on Apr 7, 2021 21:38:35 GMT
I really do not want to have to use a Covid jab passport,it smacks too much of 'Big Brother'.My rellies lived in a Communist country(Poland) & I do not wish to replicate their lifestyle.If I can't go to a pub,concert etc,then so be it. Same here. My phone doesn't do "apps", I'm not getting a new one, and even if I did I wouldn't be prepared to use it to gain permission to enter a pub. I'll just stick to drinking supermarket and convenience shop beer (which is a fraction of the price anyway) as will no doubt millions of others and if publicans go bust as a consequence then that's just their tough shit. Like a few here I’ve no intention of having any covid certificate on my phone. Feel sorry for pubs though. They will probably get pushed into it.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 7, 2021 21:51:42 GMT
The fact that they, (whoever they are) have decided to look at alternative vaccines for under 30’s is quite telling in itself. The small fact that 4-5 on here believe the risk is acceptable and of little consequence, thankfully has no significance. What I suspect now is the likelihood of people flatly refusing the az vaccine, and that’s not a bad thing. Hopefully the alternatives have been better tested. I'm sure it started out as a purely political thing. Macron in particular was having a go at the Brits to smokescreen his own failures, ditto Merkel, and the saw the AZ vaccine as British because of the Oxford link. Of course once such people raise such questions, it then become politically necessary to refute them with categoric evidence. But unfortunately with such a rare event, it is pretty difficult to categorically say there is no link. But even if there is a link, and personally I'm keeping an open mind, the probability of it affecting me is miniscule, whereas the probably of an unvaccinated me getting covid and becoming seriously ill or dying, is not miniscule.
What hasn't been discussed is the rates of blood clots for people vaccinated with other makes such as Pfizer Biontec. Surely there must have been blood clot cases in people who happen to have been vaccinated with that one - well unless the vaccine somehow is a cure for bloodclots too, which seems doubtful. No, we haven't heard about the PB vaccine because there has been no political need to slag it off.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 7, 2021 21:52:58 GMT
they havn't as far as I know, released any other data ref the 19 deaths..apart from more women than men... Were they smokers? on certain meds(e.g the pill if younger women)...overweight etc etc...without knowledge of the full story how can any judge? Also so few with so many vaccinated..nothing is without risk nowdays. Look at the trouble over the MMR vaccine and its supposed link to autism....so many people didn't vaccinate their kids Before any conclusions can be reached full facts are needed. They did explain why they thought that particular vaccine may be effecting blood platelets. Did they? I missed that, what did they say? And of course we would need to know who "they" were.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 7, 2021 21:53:58 GMT
Same here. My phone doesn't do "apps", I'm not getting a new one, and even if I did I wouldn't be prepared to use it to gain permission to enter a pub. I'll just stick to drinking supermarket and convenience shop beer (which is a fraction of the price anyway) as will no doubt millions of others and if publicans go bust as a consequence then that's just their tough shit. Like a few here I’ve no intention of having any covid certificate on my phone. Feel sorry for pubs though. They will probably get pushed into it. Pubs won't exist in 10 years time. Governments of both colours have done everything possible to destroy the licenced trade for around 20 years now, this is the final push.
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Post by ianali on Apr 7, 2021 22:01:30 GMT
Like a few here I’ve no intention of having any covid certificate on my phone. Feel sorry for pubs though. They will probably get pushed into it. Pubs won't exist in 10 years time. Governments of both colours have done everything possible to destroy the licenced trade for around 20 years now, this is the final push. Well I guess we will have to wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 22:24:30 GMT
The fact that they, (whoever they are) have decided to look at alternative vaccines for under 30’s is quite telling in itself. The small fact that 4-5 on here believe the risk is acceptable and of little consequence, thankfully has no significance. What I suspect now is the likelihood of people flatly refusing the az vaccine, and that’s not a bad thing. Hopefully the alternatives have been better tested. I'm sure it started out as a purely political thing. Macron in particular was having a go at the Brits to smokescreen his own failures, ditto Merkel Yes, I agree. That is how it started no doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 22:34:04 GMT
The fact that they, (whoever they are) have decided to look at alternative vaccines for under 30’s is quite telling in itself. The small fact that 4-5 on here believe the risk is acceptable and of little consequence, thankfully has no significance. What I suspect now is the likelihood of people flatly refusing the az vaccine, and that’s not a bad thing. Hopefully the alternatives have been better tested.
What hasn't been discussed is the rates of blood clots for people vaccinated with other makes such as Pfizer Biontec.
Read up on it. The Pfizer is a new technology based vaccine. I’m only suggesting you read up on it because I’ve read that much, I can’t possibly conjure up every article I’ve read, but the Pfizer in particular uses a base which is not normally associated with vaccines. Hence it’s price of something like 28 quid a shot, whilst az works out at less than half that. I guess you could call Pfizer a designer drug, and you’ve had the cheapo chimpanzee based one shot up your arm. No doubt your butler was wise enough to wait and get the Pfizer ðŸ¤
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 22:36:23 GMT
They did explain why they thought that particular vaccine may be effecting blood platelets. Did they? I missed that, what did they say? And of course we would need to know who "they" were. The eu lot on the bbc this afternoon. ( can’t remember which club they were in).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 22:43:22 GMT
Safety Data Summary In clinical trials, reactogenicity symptoms (side effects that happen within 7 days of getting vaccinated) were common but were mostly mild to moderate. Side effects (such as fever, chills, tiredness, and headache) throughout the body were more common after the second dose of the vaccine. Most side effects were mild to moderate. However, a small number of people had severe side effects—defined as side effects affecting a person’s ability to do daily activities. Although few people in the clinical trials went to the hospital or died, data suggest that people who got the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were less likely to have these more serious outcomes compared to people who got the saline placebo. CDC will continue to provide updates as we learn more about the safety of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in real-world conditions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 22:55:14 GMT
EMA confirms overall benefit-risk remains positive
EMA’s safety committee (PRAC) has concluded today that unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects of Vaxzevria (formerly COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca).
In reaching its conclusion, the committee took into consideration all currently available evidence, including the advice from an ad hoc expert group.
EMA is reminding healthcare professionals and people receiving the vaccine to remain aware of the possibility of very rare cases of blood clots combined with low levels of blood platelets occurring within 2 weeks of vaccination. So far, most of the cases reported have occurred in women under 60 years of age within 2 weeks of vaccination. Based on the currently available evidence, specific risk factors have not been confirmed.
People who have received the vaccine should seek medical assistance immediately if they develop symptoms of this combination of blood clots and low blood platelets (see below).
The PRAC noted that the blood clots occurred in veins in the brain (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, CVST) and the abdomen (splanchnic vein thrombosis) and in arteries, together with low levels of blood platelets and sometimes bleeding.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 23:00:11 GMT
This link takes you to what the EMA had to say on it today.
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