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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 17:38:59 GMT
There you go again... using rationality and common sense ... we're in The Dunk's world here.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 18, 2021 17:42:42 GMT
I just see it as the insurance underwriter being perfectly entitled to insist that boats have a survey when over a certain age, a bit like CRT are perfectly entitled to insist that boats have a BSS and a licence.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 18, 2021 18:05:48 GMT
I just see it as the insurance underwriter being perfectly entitled to insist that boats have a survey when over a certain age, a bit like CRT are perfectly entitled to insist that boats have a BSS and a licence. And the underwiter doesn't need to argue about where the boat is.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 18, 2021 18:17:06 GMT
Having looked through kris's posts, I haven't seen him mention that his boat was taking on water - so perhaps it isn't? He hasn't mentioned this draft of a letter to C&RT either : -- kris nadin <krisnadin2002@yahoo.co.uk>
Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 11:19 AM
Hello, My name is Kris nadin my boat is called MEDLOCK index number 76914. I'm writing to you in connection with an incident that happened on the Aire and Calder on 26th-27th of sept just below heck bridge. I was cruising along this stretch on the late afternoon early evening on the 26th sept. I moved over to allow space for a passing boat, where I ran aground on a concrete block about 12ft into the navigation. After unsuccessfully trying to reflate by various methods my friend went and fetched his boat and tried to tow me off. Which was unsuccessful, by this time it had become dark so we stayed overnight in this spot. In the morning we decided to run my anchor chain across the channel and use the anchor winch to winch the boat off. I thought it was best to phone yourselves and inform you of the obstacle to navigation this would cause whilst in progres. After explaining to the lady on the switch board that I didn't want RCR and that she had misunderstood what I was phoning for I talked to graham . Who then said he would send a boat from the yard the other side of the bridge. The boat turned up after trying to tow me off, they then pushed the boat off the block.
I'm writing to you as I'm concerned about damage to the plates and framing of my boat. I understand a few boats have run into difficulties on this stretch, which is why you have placed the yellow lolly pops just after the bridge. As can be seen from the photo I've attached the place of this incident was a good 500m from where the yello signs are. I'm wondering if I encounted the problem, because the level was lowered for the work to be carried out at ferry bridge the day before. Kind regards KrisI find the continual re-posting of this private communication to be incredibly "snide" since it seems that its sole purpose is to cause Kris some type of problem with his insurer or CRT. It won't do that of course but it smacks of the behaviour of a bitter and twisted man who, having lost his own boat, would find warm consolation in somebody else being in the same position.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 18:20:32 GMT
The requirement for surveys has changed too.
I was warned I may need a survey when the boat became 20 years old , but didn't ... then at 25 years, but didn't ... best guess now is at 30 years old (in two years).
Different insurers have different requirements and I am confident that thunderboat and The Dunk play no part.
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Post by metanoia on Aug 18, 2021 18:26:20 GMT
He hasn't mentioned this draft of a letter to C&RT either : -- kris nadin <krisnadin2002@yahoo.co.uk>
Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 11:19 AM
Hello, My name is Kris nadin my boat is called MEDLOCK index number 76914. I'm writing to you in connection with an incident that happened on the Aire and Calder on 26th-27th of sept just below heck bridge. I was cruising along this stretch on the late afternoon early evening on the 26th sept. I moved over to allow space for a passing boat, where I ran aground on a concrete block about 12ft into the navigation. After unsuccessfully trying to reflate by various methods my friend went and fetched his boat and tried to tow me off. Which was unsuccessful, by this time it had become dark so we stayed overnight in this spot. In the morning we decided to run my anchor chain across the channel and use the anchor winch to winch the boat off. I thought it was best to phone yourselves and inform you of the obstacle to navigation this would cause whilst in progres. After explaining to the lady on the switch board that I didn't want RCR and that she had misunderstood what I was phoning for I talked to graham . Who then said he would send a boat from the yard the other side of the bridge. The boat turned up after trying to tow me off, they then pushed the boat off the block.
I'm writing to you as I'm concerned about damage to the plates and framing of my boat. I understand a few boats have run into difficulties on this stretch, which is why you have placed the yellow lolly pops just after the bridge. As can be seen from the photo I've attached the place of this incident was a good 500m from where the yello signs are. I'm wondering if I encounted the problem, because the level was lowered for the work to be carried out at ferry bridge the day before. Kind regards KrisI find the continual re-posting of this private communication to be incredibly "snide" since it seems that its sole purpose is to cause Kris some type of problem with his insurer or CRT. It won't do that of course but it smacks of the behaviour of a bitter and twisted man who, having lost his own boat, would find warm consolation in somebody else being in the same position. I find it incredibly insensitive, very rude and more than a bit nasty to post someone's/anyone's personal information/details on a public forum.
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Post by metanoia on Aug 18, 2021 18:27:00 GMT
eta - and more than once
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 18:28:21 GMT
Entirely unnecessarily too ... just to make a petty, selfish point.
Rog
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Post by metanoia on Aug 18, 2021 18:32:05 GMT
Entirely unnecessarily too ... just to make a petty, selfish point. Rog Many here seem to take great delight in making petty, selfish points but I don't recall anyone else actually posting so much of another member's personal information.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 18, 2021 18:34:22 GMT
The requirement for surveys has changed too. I was warned I may need a survey when the boat became 20 years old , but didn't ... then at 25 years, but didn't ... best guess now is at 30 years old (in two years). Different insurers have different requirements and I am confident that thunderboat and The Dunk play no part. Rog I think that as the average age of boats becomes older and insurers experience no increase in age-related claims then they will tend to look on older boats as being of no greater risk and push out the boundaries. It may well be that by next year Tokio Marine will be happy to offer insurance on my boat without a survey. I certainly do not believe that Japan's oldest insurance underwriter, owned by Mitsubishi, which insures oil tankers and container ships spends a great deal of time on an internet forum with a couple of dozen active members trying to work out who has a dodgy £25,000 narrowboat.
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Post by metanoia on Aug 18, 2021 18:38:25 GMT
Sorry!!!
AND MORE THAN ONCE
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 18, 2021 18:40:23 GMT
I find the continual re-posting of this private communication to be incredibly "snide" since it seems that its sole purpose is to cause Kris some type of problem with his insurer or CRT. It won't do that of course but it smacks of the behaviour of a bitter and twisted man who, having lost his own boat, would find warm consolation in somebody else being in the same position. I find it incredibly insensitive, very rude and more than a bit nasty to post someone's/anyone's personal information/details on a public forum. I think TonyDunkley's personal characteristics are the main reason why there is so little support for him or his cause from his peer group.
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Post by ianali on Aug 18, 2021 18:41:28 GMT
The requirement for surveys has changed too. I was warned I may need a survey when the boat became 20 years old , but didn't ... then at 25 years, but didn't ... best guess now is at 30 years old (in two years). Different insurers have different requirements and I am confident that thunderboat and The Dunk play no part. Rog I think that as the average age of boats becomes older and insurers experience no increase in age-related claims then they will tend to look on older boats as being of no greater risk and push out the boundaries. It may well be that by next year Tokio Marine will be happy to offer insurance on my boat without a survey. I certainly do not believe that Japan's oldest insurance underwriter, owned by Mitsubishi, which insures oil tankers and container ships spends a great deal of time on an internet forum with a couple of dozen active members trying to work out who has a dodgy £25,000 narrowboat. Might end up like cars and bikes and the cost of insurance will reduce!
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Post by JohnV on Aug 18, 2021 18:51:00 GMT
The simple fact is that Desiree was laid down in 1986 and put into the water in 1987 so is either 34 or 35 years old depending which frame of reference you use. I don't know anyone who has obtained comprehensive insurance as a new customer on any boat over 30 years old without a recent survey yet that is what I did last year and this. It's far more likely that the underwriter Tokio Marine have a 35 year age limit on unsurveyed boats, I highly doubt they all sit in their offices in Japan reading Thunderboat all day. just a point on that.
Shapfell is over 50 years old and to the best of my knowledge has never had a survey
(definitly not in the ten years I have owned her)
and since my purchase of her, has full comp insured
edit to add ..... I should read to the end ..... I see the thread has moved on from that and that point has been discussed further
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 18:58:34 GMT
Presumably because it can't rust.
To be honest if a survey is required, so be it.
I assume it will be every ten years ... but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
Rog
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