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Post by thebfg on Aug 17, 2021 17:59:07 GMT
If I remember correctly that one overflows really badly and it was quite a struggle to open the gates.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 18:14:48 GMT
Cratch cover is on but if the bow fender got caught under the cill and doors were open water would get in under the covers and fast.
Anyone on the stern may not be aware of it because as boat filled with water it would tend to remain level even though lock was filling up.
Weedhatch or stern flooding would be more noticeable.
It seems that anyone left on the boat was more likely to be at the stern that at the bows.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 17, 2021 18:18:41 GMT
One was rescued from the roof, they didn't access the roof from the front.
They may have climbed up before the it got bad so may or may not proof which end went down first.
Regardless of that, I'm sure they could have prevented with a little training and/or attention.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 17, 2021 19:32:20 GMT
True and scary. What I don't fully understand is why people would choose to use a canal boat but have no idea how to do it or what to look out for. It's amazing they would have got anywhere. I suspect people DO generally know what to do but maybe got chatting to someone and failed to prioritise the handling of the boat above the social intercourse. . . . . . . . . . But equally the weed hatch may have been insecure, we've seen boats sink because of that before, particularly when running in reverse gear. The fresh looking group of clean whitish marks immediately below the deep protruding stone below the coping stone on the corner of the inside bottom gate recess [45 seconds into video clip] are a clear indication that the starboard cabin gunwale didn't rise any higher than the bottom edge of the protruding stone before it sank. There are plenty of similar looking marks all the way up that corner of the inside bottom gate recess, . . and NONE above that point. The centre line is laying, unused, along the cabin top, just ahead of the slide, and the stern line is coiled up and draped in typical prat fashion over the tiller pin. With no ropes, and nothing else except possibly a strongish downhill wind blowing along the cut, to hold the boat back wedged in the acute angle between the gate and the gate recess, it's almost certain that the boat's engine was left operating in astern gear whilst the lock was filling. Something else worth noting from the video clip is that the single lever engine control is in the ahead operation position, . . which, given that the boat is laying sunk with its stern end hard up against the inside bottom gate and its stem a good 10' or more from the cill, . . it could NOT have been either whilst the lock was filling, or at the moment the boat sank.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 19:45:02 GMT
Good observations Tony.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 17, 2021 19:51:49 GMT
The lever could have been knocked forward whilst a panicked bloke climbed up onto the roof.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 19:56:11 GMT
Something else worth noting from the video clip is that the single lever engine control is in the ahead operation position, . . which, given that the boat is laying sunk with its stern end hard up against the inside bottom gate and its stem a good 10' or more from the cill, . . it could NOT have been either whilst the lock was filling, or at the moment the boat sank. Well it is possible to be fair. If the bow fender got caught under the cill, boat took on a lot of water then top paddles were closed and bottom paddles opened rapidly the partly floating vessel probably would move back towards the lower gates. The person at the helm may have been unaware that the boat was foundering and put it in ahead to stop it banging into the lower gates. Your comments on the marks on the lock wall are good. Perhaps the rescued person was on the toilet and made a quick exit via back doors once they realised what was happening.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 18, 2021 7:28:31 GMT
Something else worth noting from the video clip is that the single lever engine control is in the ahead operation position, . . which, given that the boat is laying sunk with its stern end hard up against the inside bottom gate and its stem a good 10' or more from the cill, . . it could NOT have been either whilst the lock was filling, or at the moment the boat sank. If the bow fender got caught under the cill, boat took on a lot of water then top paddles were closed and bottom paddles opened rapidly the partly floating vessel probably would move back towards the lower gates. The person at the helm may have been unaware that the boat was foundering and put it in ahead to stop it banging into the lower gates. In the circumstances outlined above, the fresh looking group of clean whitish marks immediately below the deep protruding stone below the coping stone on the corner of the inside bottom gate recess [45 seconds into video clip] wouldn't be accompanied by the almost continuous vertical line of similar looking but fainter appearance all the way up that corner of the inside bottom gate recess. With no ropes, and nothing else to hold the boat back wedged in the acute angle between the gate and the gate recess, except possibly a strongish downhill wind blowing along the cut at the time, it's almost certain that the boat's engine was left operating in astern gear whilst the lock was filling. There is also the possibility, depending on how good a fit the bottom gates and paddles are, that the boat was left running, in the lock chamber with someone inside and both bottom gates shut, in astern gear against the inside bottom gate, . . and whilst whoever was inside and not paying any attention to what was going on outside, the lock began to slowly fill itself with the water coming over the top gates, without any top end paddle drawn.
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Post by peterboat on Aug 18, 2021 7:58:31 GMT
Looks a little long for the lock methinks? whatever their day has been ruined and 9 people in the boat might be judged as excessive? Where did you see the info about 9 people Peter ? The original article said 9 people on board, its now been modified to a number of people by the ambulance service in the article, yet other parts always say one person on the roof very strange Trina
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 8:04:16 GMT
Or maybe the boat hit unexploded ordnance and was holed badly below the waterline.. All these idiots with big magnets disturbing the canal bed. That's definitely what happened ... definitely ! Unless it was a torpedo from the grumpy restaurant boat driver in Castlefield. Rog
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Post by Isambard Kingdom Brunel on Aug 18, 2021 8:28:26 GMT
One top hatch over the side doors is open, I wonder if the doors were open too and the boat heeled heavily due to being stuck under the protruding stones?
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Post by Trina on Aug 18, 2021 8:33:07 GMT
Where did you see the info about 9 people Peter ? The original article said 9 people on board, its now been modified to a number of people by the ambulance service in the article, yet other parts always say one person on the roof very strange Trina Thanks Peter,it almost sounds like they're hiding something...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 8:48:45 GMT
I suspect the numpty journalist is trying to hide the fact they confused the 'Rochdale 9' to be 9 people on the boat...
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Post by Trina on Aug 18, 2021 9:11:43 GMT
I wondered the same thing.
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Post by quaysider on Aug 18, 2021 13:59:52 GMT
related but not quite sinkings: These two got into trouble in Granary Wharf Leeds over night on Monday when the levels dropped again... they are both in the old dry dock (stepped sides) - when the water leaks out, you get tipped over... we did a couple of years ago but as we were on board were able to loosen the ropes and sort it out during a 3am wee... these were not so lucky. Since Adam (kirkstall fly boat ) is no longer there to ash up gates, it will only get worse until crt do something about it... MOST regular visitors know NOT to moor in there... alas, these folks didn't.
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