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Post by kris on Jan 11, 2022 12:02:35 GMT
I can sympathise with the situation of these council residents and we’ve all seen the boats that chimneys bellow black smoke (who knows what they are burning.) But this is going to be used as a stick to beat us all. Maybe diesel air heaters for daylight hours then light the fire after dark? I’ve installed two diesel air heaters on Jenlyn. They are quite economical and heat the boat nicely. Cut my coal use by approximately two bags a week this winter. How much has your diesel bill gone up? It’s the reliance on having to have enough electricity in winter that puts me off these diesel air heaters. I have got one ready to fit and have ago with, I would need another if I go down this route.
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Post by kris on Jan 11, 2022 12:05:26 GMT
How long before the whole of London is a no mooring zone? Before all of thunderboats resident fascists jump in with “the sooner the better,” just remember all of the boats currently in London would have to go somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 12:12:40 GMT
It's an interesting situation to watch.
It's got quite bad in some areas. Pikey type bad.
At some point it will get looked at and moves will be made to tidy it all up but it could take ages for anything to actually happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 12:14:19 GMT
I’ve installed two diesel air heaters on Jenlyn. They are quite economical and heat the boat nicely. Cut my coal use by approximately two bags a week this winter. How much has your diesel bill gone up? It’s the reliance on having to have enough electricity in winter that puts me off these diesel air heaters. I have got one ready to fit and have ago with, I would need another if I go down this route. So far each heater uses about 3-4 litres a week whilst running for 5-6 hours a day. Electricity wise, after the initial fire up, it will run on 2-3 amps. I run one on a 240w power station.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 12:17:05 GMT
just remember all of the boats currently in London would have to go somewhere. The majority would just leave the waterways, they don’t last long in London. They are a fickle lot these days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 12:20:10 GMT
The boats will still need to go somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 12:23:35 GMT
The boats will still need to go somewhere. Going by recent trends, they seem to just bugger off and leave the boat to sink.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 12:26:40 GMT
It could get interesting. In a lot of cases if living on boats was basically criminalised via things like clean air and nuisance I could see a lot of the less valuable craft just being abandoned. The owners just vanishing.
Or sell it on eBay for a fiver and let someone else deal with it.
It could get expensive for the CRT in terms of disposal costs.
At Brentford a few years ago the occupiers on non legal moorings (Waterman's park on the tidal Thames) vanished once the council enforced and there were some really quite awkward vessels left behind.
Including a large ice breaker/tug which could easily have hazardous substances such as asbestos on board.
All of these craft have to be dealt with and removal/breaking up funded the local authority.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 11, 2022 14:01:09 GMT
” ‘Cuddle your cat and do star jumps if you can’t afford to heat your house’: Advice from Britain’s third-biggest energy supplier as families face £2,000 hike to bills ” Britain’s third-biggest energy supplier urged people to cuddle pets to keep warm Ovo Energy emailed customers listing ‘simple ways to keep warm this winter’ They included eating ‘hearty bowls of porridge’ and ‘doing a few star jumps’ ![](https://c.tenor.com/Y7zNoHbLEasAAAAd/burning-fireplace-fire.gif) Or it may be cheaper just to leave this page open.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 14:08:28 GMT
Back to the smoke topic for a moment.
My London residential mooring was originally subject to a "no smoke, vibration, dust etc" planning requirements. It was constructed at the same time as the flats adjacent although they are quite a long way away as it's pontoon then walkway.
In the 15 ish years the moorings have been here almost every boat has had you guessed it a solid fuel stove.
I'm not aware of any complaints coming in from any of the residents but I could see why it could be a nuisance.
I'm probably the worse offender in this regard as I only have the fire no central heating.
With the electric cost per unit going up 50% recently I am now even more reluctant to use electric to do heating.
I wonder how long it will take the council (also tower Hamlets) to cotton on to it.
Could get interesting. I'm going to be replacing the big boat with a small boat anyway so probably could manage with electric but the loss of less smoke fuels as an option for heating would be irritating.
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Post by peterboat on Jan 11, 2022 14:11:47 GMT
That would be one approach. I've always wondered about smoke and darkness. There is the ringelman scale of greyness but this would require background light. One could burn house coal all night and I can't really see how anyone could prove the smoke colour. Not entirely sure you can buy household coal anymore? I am burning anthracite its very clean burning, wood is well seasoned Hawthorne on the front stoves again burns clean
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 14:31:04 GMT
Good point about the coal.
I'm using Maxibrite and Ecoal50 lately both of which smoke a little bit but not too terrible.
I have had to give up burning the road cones as had some dodgy looks from the natives.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 14:44:53 GMT
It's very simple, don't burn shite in your stove. If boaters had done this then the problem would not exist in most places. Most of the time I get very little smoke from the stove you can't even see it's on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 14:53:25 GMT
This story about the boats above Johnson's lock on the Regents section of the Grand Union is very specific. Even if you were burning high quality "smokeless" fuel you will still produce emissions. The ventilation for the flats at that end of the development is in the wall about 10ft from where the boats were. Due to the canyon effect emissions from fires and exhausts will end up being drawn into the building. It can't not happen.
I agree that a lot of people on boats burn shite but it might not actually be that which is the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 15:01:43 GMT
This story about the boats above Johnson's lock on the Regents section of the Grand Union is very specific. Even if you were burning high quality "smokeless" fuel you will still produce emissions. The ventilation for the flats at that end of the development is in the wall about 10ft from where the boats were. Due to the canyon effect emissions from fires and exhausts will end up being drawn into the building. It can't not happen. I agree that a lot of people on boats burn shite but it might not actually be that which is the problem. Hence I said "in most places" not everywhere
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