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Post by kris on Jan 11, 2022 11:30:12 GMT
So it seems the environmental protection act 1990 has just been amended so that boats fall under its jurisdiction as well as buildings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 11:35:49 GMT
So it seems the environmental act 1990 has just been amended so that boats fall under its jurisdiction as well as buildings. CRT were suggesting this would happen 2 years ago, but nobody was interested. They were informative on how the councils would be using it, and were offering us the opportunity to get involved. The recent London boaters who have been issued with orders were always going to be the first subjected to any order, given quite a few of the idiots throw any old crap onto their fires. What pisses me off is the fact that other councils will see his and use it themselves to get rid of boats in certain areas. London boaters are more trouble than they are worth, pisstakers.
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Post by kris on Jan 11, 2022 11:39:16 GMT
Yes Islington council where a safe bet to be the first council to use the new powers. It seems it doesn’t matter if your using defra approved fuels or not. If the council officer decides your causing a nuisance then that’s it. Yet another nail in the coffin for livaboard boaters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 11:42:59 GMT
Yes Islington council where a safe bet to be the first council to use the new powers. It seems it doesn’t matter if your using defra approved fuels or not. If the council officer decides your causing a nuisance then that’s it. Yet another nail in the coffin for livaboard boaters. This is where it’s going wrong, and the council should not be bending the law on defra approval to suit themselves. As usual it’s going to need a court case in order to reign the council in That of course isn’t going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 11:43:20 GMT
Tower Hamlets already on the move in this regard.
Story on the London boaters FB page.
Interestingly I had a run-in with exactly the same person in the flats above Johnson's lock about 11 years ago. Moored outside the flats and my mikuni diesel heater flooded and put white smoke everywhere.
The geyser came out and complained.
It turns out the problem is that the ventilation for some of the flats is taken from just above the towpath.
At that end they are converted warehouses not built for purpose.
So basically the smoke from a boat moored beside there is sucked into the flat even with the windows all closed.
Not nice.
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Post by kris on Jan 11, 2022 11:43:41 GMT
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Post by kris on Jan 11, 2022 11:50:00 GMT
Tower Hamlets already on the move in this regard. Story on the London boaters FB page. Interestingly I had a run-in with exactly the same person in the flats above Johnson's lock about 11 years ago. Moored outside the flats and my mikuni diesel heater flooded and put white smoke everywhere. The geyser came out and complained. It turns out the problem is that the ventilation for some of the flats is taken from just above the towpath. At that end they are converted warehouses not built for purpose. So basically the smoke from a boat moored beside there is sucked into the flat even with the windows all closed. Not nice. I can sympathise with the situation of these council residents and we’ve all seen the boats that chimneys bellow black smoke (who knows what they are burning.) But this is going to be used as a stick to beat us all. Maybe diesel air heaters for daylight hours then light the fire after dark?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 11:51:55 GMT
That would be one approach.
I've always wondered about smoke and darkness. There is the ringelman scale of greyness but this would require background light.
One could burn house coal all night and I can't really see how anyone could prove the smoke colour.
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Post by kris on Jan 11, 2022 11:55:22 GMT
That would be one approach. I've always wondered about smoke and darkness. There is the ringelman scale of greyness but this would require background light. One could burn house coal all night and I can't really see how anyone could prove the smoke colour. Which shows you how open to personal interpretation it all is. It seem with this case in London, the council are just using it as a way of establishing an unofficial no mooring zone. Anybody threatened with a £5000 fine is going to moor somewhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 11:55:59 GMT
Another thing that happened at that particular mooring is that two bollards, which are not part of the lock waiting area, mysteriously turned yellow suddenly.
I reckon it was a resident not CRT doing that.
Yellow bollards are part of the dumbing down situation with regard to clueless idiots not understanding which bollards are for lock work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 11:57:37 GMT
That would be one approach. I've always wondered about smoke and darkness. There is the ringelman scale of greyness but this would require background light. One could burn house coal all night and I can't really see how anyone could prove the smoke colour. Which shows you how open to personal interpretation it all is. It seem with this case in London, the council are just using it as a way of establishing an unofficial no mooring zone. Anybody threatened with a £5000 fine is going to moor somewhere else. Actually in this particular case I think it is valid for it to be a no mooring area because of the conflict problem with the residents. The problem doesn't seem to happen with the new build apartments because they have better designed ventilation systems.
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Post by kris on Jan 11, 2022 11:57:50 GMT
Another thing that happened at that particular mooring is that two bollards, which are not part of the lock waiting area, mysteriously turned yellow suddenly. I reckon it was a resident not CRT doing that. Yellow bollards are part of the dumbing down situation with regard to clueless idiots not understanding which bollards are for lock work. It’s amazing how one person with a bee in their bonnet can cause so much hassle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 11:58:57 GMT
Tower Hamlets already on the move in this regard. Story on the London boaters FB page. Interestingly I had a run-in with exactly the same person in the flats above Johnson's lock about 11 years ago. Moored outside the flats and my mikuni diesel heater flooded and put white smoke everywhere. The geyser came out and complained. It turns out the problem is that the ventilation for some of the flats is taken from just above the towpath. At that end they are converted warehouses not built for purpose. So basically the smoke from a boat moored beside there is sucked into the flat even with the windows all closed. Not nice. I can sympathise with the situation of these council residents and we’ve all seen the boats that chimneys bellow black smoke (who knows what they are burning.) But this is going to be used as a stick to beat us all. Maybe diesel air heaters for daylight hours then light the fire after dark? I’ve installed two diesel air heaters on Jenlyn. They are quite economical and heat the boat nicely. Cut my coal use by approximately two bags a week this winter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 12:00:02 GMT
I can imagine he probably has a big mortgage, feels very clever about being able to afford an expensive "warehouse flat" overlooking the cut and is wound up by the air thing.
I expect he gets the smoke from all the skunk kids behind there as well. A dead end road which always has druggie cars and groups hanging around.
Basically a bad place to live if you are sensitive to inner city machinations.
And other side of the road is where all the kids play loud sports late into the evening with flood lighting.
And the flat was how much? £500k for a two bed you say? Oh dear !
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Post by kris on Jan 11, 2022 12:00:13 GMT
Which shows you how open to personal interpretation it all is. It seem with this case in London, the council are just using it as a way of establishing an unofficial no mooring zone. Anybody threatened with a £5000 fine is going to moor somewhere else. Actually in this particular case I think it is valid for it to be a no mooring area because of the conflict problem with the residents. The problem doesn't seem to happen with the new build apartments because they have better designed ventilation systems. Yes but then do it officially, not through this threatening individuals way.
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