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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 2, 2016 22:58:40 GMT
Some serious brown-nosing going on here....
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Post by Delta9 on Nov 2, 2016 23:00:26 GMT
"when they're not having to deal with constant and repetitive criticism."
By completely ignoring it?
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 2, 2016 23:49:16 GMT
Some serious brown-nosing going on here.... Alan Fincher wrote the following as a reply to BSP's post (above). I wish I could reply on cwf, but I can't. If anyone feels my reply is worth posting over there, feel free to copy and paste it. At the time that the political threads on cwf were getting contentious, there were some unusual and some remarkable events happening in the UK, Europe and elsewhere in the world. The UK was voting whether or not to stay in the EU, war ravaged in the Middle East and a refugee/migrant crisis of unequaled proportions was enveloping Europe. It's only natural that people might want to comment on world affairs. It is only natural that people will have differing opinions on those affairs. It is interesting to note that there has been little political commentary on Thunderboat. There have been no flaming political arguments whatsoever. Part of the lack of politics and political acrimony on TB has been due to the fact that Brexit was a done deal and the refugee crisis was waning in interest right about the time TB came into being. But there is another, more significant factor involved, and that was that TB did not have posters baiting other posters into making statements that would result in moderator intervention. The baiters must have all stayed on cwdf, because they sure aren't on TB. Or maybe they are just afraid to show their heads on TB because they know they don't have any mods to run crying to.
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Post by Andyberg on Nov 3, 2016 4:58:41 GMT
More from Denial..... Who's going to take the senior mod role then?
********************************************************* Sorry for the delay in reply, while not an excuse all will wear, my time working on the forum must fit around a busy work and personal life. While I would love a second me to be able to dedicate a stack more time to the cause channel four's humans series still sci-fi if well disguised. I have posted many posts on the topic of requesting change, clearer explanation of moderator action being one of the key points, and the staff will join the current staff in working to effect this, and various factor have I am quite happy to say caused some less then ideal moderating, and perhaps I would have done well to mention that in the opening post. In terms of the number we wish to add, it will be a staged process, but I am looking to have a moderator team of 6-8 in total, excluding admin/technical staff, so my hope is to add two new members reasonably quickly and perhaps 1 or two more after that. That said, with one moderator as he finds himself with less free time due to spending much of the summer on his boat, and another leaving not because of the issues leading up to the recent issues raised about moderation of the site, but because of various members ways of going about raising the issue, I would say this is indeed a reasonably simple case of replacing moderators who are leaving rather than anything more untoward. I am glad some members have seen small changes, there will not be sudden changes, and many will go unseen, it do not see this as a bad thing. Particularly as some of the comments have been that there should be less moderation, its hard to show this tangibly other than through its absence! Forums do evolve and change always, and like any other site, canalworld changes all the time, include ups and downs. This is just that, as was the time when a number of disruptive members where removed from the site. We have asked a number of members to give the staff team some time in effect the requested changes, and I would extend that to the wider membership. Effecting change takes times, particularly all staff along with myself are volunteers and fitting the work in around their every day lives. Moderating can be rewarding, with a significant amount of support coming in from members via PM or occasional public posts, but at times it cal also be seriously thankless. Given a thought to how you would fit running a forum into your life, along side a full time job and a host of other commitments. I own the site willingly, and because I want to continue as it has done for many years, but it also a commitment and work load. I have never done it for my own vanity or self important and my cv does not need more on it, I run it for the members because I enjoy being a member my self and wanted and was able to put back into the site, first as a moderator and then as an admin and later own when the founder Jon was no longer able to find the time he wished to dedicate to the site having started a new family. My time is less available than was the case a few years ago, and a senior or lead moderator is a role I would like to fill as I have said elsewhere and now added to the opening post, and in fact is something I have been looking to for around a year, however as I have said this is likely to be in the form of a promotion from within the moderator team.
Watch this space, and if you would like to be part of the staff team, i would be very interested in hearing from you along with the others who have already com forward. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 7:37:12 GMT
I don't know about more moderators, someone to proof read his output would be more useful. There's nothing in that but a lot of muddled thinking and hot air.
Still, at least it's clear nothing is to change.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 8:22:00 GMT
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Post by JohnV on Nov 3, 2016 8:35:07 GMT
I don't know about more moderators, someone to proof read his output would be more useful. There's nothing in that but a lot of muddled thinking and hot air. Still, at least it's clear nothing is to change. Muddled thinking, muddled writing. Like all of his previous posts (that I bothered to try and comprehend) it is only suitable consumption for those who like waffles for breakfast.
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Post by junior on Nov 3, 2016 8:49:51 GMT
I got about a paragraph in to that and then I just thought "why am I reading this?, I don't care". If I wanted to read about CWDF I would go on there to read it, but I choose not to these days.
The first three things I've read on Thunderboat this morning have been copy & pastes of things posted on Canalworld. One of them had even been quoted with a reply asking someone to post it back on CanalWorld for them. Seriously?!
If im going to end up reading so much CWDF content on here then I might as well just go on there to read it.
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Post by Gone on Nov 3, 2016 8:55:56 GMT
I am not convinced that there is room for two busy and stimulating forums, one will become more of a reference site. As most of us seem to prefer this forum then maybe we should take care before advising DH on how to fix his.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 8:58:12 GMT
More from Denial..... Who's going to take the senior mod role then? ********************************************************* Sorry for the delay in reply, while not an excuse all will wear, my time working on the forum must fit around a busy work and personal life. While I would love a second me to be able to dedicate a stack more time to the cause channel four's humans series still sci-fi if well disguised. I have posted many posts on the topic of requesting change, clearer explanation of moderator action being one of the key points, and the staff will join the current staff in working to effect this, and various factor have I am quite happy to say caused some less then ideal moderating, and perhaps I would have done well to mention that in the opening post. In terms of the number we wish to add, it will be a staged process, but I am looking to have a moderator team of 6-8 in total, excluding admin/technical staff, so my hope is to add two new members reasonably quickly and perhaps 1 or two more after that. That said, with one moderator as he finds himself with less free time due to spending much of the summer on his boat, and another leaving not because of the issues leading up to the recent issues raised about moderation of the site, but because of various members ways of going about raising the issue, I would say this is indeed a reasonably simple case of replacing moderators who are leaving rather than anything more untoward. I am glad some members have seen small changes, there will not be sudden changes, and many will go unseen, it do not see this as a bad thing. Particularly as some of the comments have been that there should be less moderation, its hard to show this tangibly other than through its absence! Forums do evolve and change always, and like any other site, canalworld changes all the time, include ups and downs. This is just that, as was the time when a number of disruptive members where removed from the site. We have asked a number of members to give the staff team some time in effect the requested changes, and I would extend that to the wider membership. Effecting change takes times, particularly all staff along with myself are volunteers and fitting the work in around their every day lives. Moderating can be rewarding, with a significant amount of support coming in from members via PM or occasional public posts, but at times it cal also be seriously thankless. Given a thought to how you would fit running a forum into your life, along side a full time job and a host of other commitments. I own the site willingly, and because I want to continue as it has done for many years, but it also a commitment and work load. I have never done it for my own vanity or self important and my cv does not need more on it, I run it for the members because I enjoy being a member my self and wanted and was able to put back into the site, first as a moderator and then as an admin and later own when the founder Jon was no longer able to find the time he wished to dedicate to the site having started a new family. My time is less available than was the case a few years ago, and a senior or lead moderator is a role I would like to fill as I have said elsewhere and now added to the opening post, and in fact is something I have been looking to for around a year, however as I have said this is likely to be in the form of a promotion from within the moderator team. Watch this space, and if you would like to be part of the staff team, i would be very interested in hearing from you along with the others who have already com forward. Thanks FFS! I can't make any sense of that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 9:00:59 GMT
I got about a paragraph in to that and then I just thought "why am I reading this?, I don't care". If I wanted to read about CWDF I would go on there to read it, but I choose not to these days. The first three things I've read on Thunderboat this morning have been copy & pastes of things posted on Canalworld. One of them had even been quoted with a reply asking someone to post it back on CanalWorld for them. Seriously?! If im going to end up reading so much CWDF content on here then I might as well just go on there to read it. It's what people want to discuss, and that is what this forum is for.
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Post by bettina on Nov 3, 2016 9:07:54 GMT
More from Denial..... Who's going to take the senior mod role then? ********************************************************* While I would love a second me to be able to dedicate a stack more time to the cause channel four's humans series still sci-fi if well disguised. I own the site My time is less available than was the case a few years ago, a promotion from within the moderator team. Thanks FFS! I can't make any sense of that. After removing the most of the waffle, it says he's into sci-fi, owns the site, has no time to run it, one of the existing MOD's will be promoted and nothing else will change.... Does that make it clearer?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 9:08:33 GMT
I got about a paragraph in to that and then I just thought "why am I reading this?, I don't care". If I wanted to read about CWDF I would go on there to read it, but I choose not to these days. The first three things I've read on Thunderboat this morning have been copy & pastes of things posted on Canalworld. One of them had even been quoted with a reply asking someone to post it back on CanalWorld for them. Seriously?! If im going to end up reading so much CWDF content on here then I might as well just go on there to read it. To be fair this is a thread for discussing CWF. When we first came over here we spent quite a lot of time groaning about Dan and the mods. I guess some of those who have recently come across need to get it out of their system too. What is great is that we continue to have more and more discussions on all kinds of topics here now thanks to those who have brought their expertise with them. Best of all, unlike having 6-8 mods and a control freak trying to nanny 50 odd active members, we have zero mods and Delta. So as you say, lets enjoy this place and let it go folks...
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Post by JohnV on Nov 3, 2016 9:09:23 GMT
FFS! I can't make any sense of that. After removing the most of the waffle, it says he's into sci-fi, owns the site, has no time to run it, one of the existing MOD's will be promoted and nothing else will change.... Does that make it clearer? Are waffles for breakfast a Cannuck thing as well as American then Betty ?
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Post by bettina on Nov 3, 2016 9:13:03 GMT
After removing the most of the waffle, it says he's into sci-fi, owns the site, has no time to run it, one of the existing MOD's will be promoted and nothing else will change.... Does that make it clearer? Are waffles for breakfast a Cannuck thing as well as American then Betty ? BIG Time!! Best served with Blueberries & Maple Syrup, and a good portion of back bacon on the side....Yummy
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