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Post by Telemachus on Jul 30, 2022 11:46:40 GMT
That is possible ... but surely more probable that it's been sent out as an advance notice of closure from 12 August ... I cannot see how it reads any other way (both published above) Rog Yes I know it says “navigation closure” but when you read the body of the stoppage, it’s a restriction not a closure. It’s just that the person generating the stoppage notice selected the wrong thing from the drop down list. It’s the same when there has been a closure and it’s now open. The header on the updated notice often still says “Navigation closed” ( because they forgot to change it) when of course they mean the exact opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 11:50:37 GMT
That is possible ... but surely more probable that it's been sent out as an advance notice of closure from 12 August ... I cannot see how it reads any other way (both published above) Rog Yes I know it says “navigation closure” but when you read the body of the stoppage, it’s a restriction not a closure. It’s just that the person generating the stoppage notice selected the wrong thing from the drop down list. It’s the same when there has been a closure and it’s now open. The header on the updated notice often still says “Navigation closed” ( because they forgot to change it) when of course they mean the exact opposite. Have you got the email versions of the notices Nick? The body (with the restriction timings) is under the heading 'Original message'. The notices on the Web site don't have that. So not surprising there is confusion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 11:50:50 GMT
Notice Alert Oxford Canal Location: Hillmorton Lock 2 & 3 - 6 & 7, Oxford Canal Starts At: Lock 2, Hillmorton Bottom Lock (Tp) Ends At: Lock 7, Hillmorton Top Lock (Os) Up Stream Winding Hole: Bridge 74 OX-027-005 Down Stream Winding Hole: Bridge 53 OX-020-017
Friday 12 August 2022 16:00 until further notice
Type: Navigation Closure Reason: Water resources
I would suggest this stoppage alert is very clear and unambiguous.
I accept it may be an error (and hope it is).
Identical closure for Atherstone (albeit a slightly earlier time in the afternoon).
Confusing isn't it.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 30, 2022 11:55:24 GMT
Notice Alert Oxford Canal Location: Hillmorton Lock 2 & 3 - 6 & 7, Oxford Canal Starts At: Lock 2, Hillmorton Bottom Lock (Tp) Ends At: Lock 7, Hillmorton Top Lock (Os) Up Stream Winding Hole: Bridge 74 OX-027-005 Down Stream Winding Hole: Bridge 53 OX-020-017 Friday 12 August 2022 16:00 until further notice Type: Navigation Closure Reason: Water resources I would suggest this stoppage alert is very clear and unambiguous. I accept it may be an error (and hope it is). Identical closure for Atherstone (albeit a slightly earlier time in the afternoon). Confusing isn't it. Rog I agree it is confusing, but what you are showing there is the header without the explanatory text. The text makes it clear it’s a restriction.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 30, 2022 11:59:00 GMT
Also the timed openings are in place now. The closure is 12 August UFN Rog Something strange going on, are we getting taken over by aliens on the 12th? It's been said that governments do now want the plebs to move around any more - the end of freedoms - of course, that could be "a conspiracy theory" but first there were lockdowns, international borders effectively closed for travel, airports in chaos, fuel prices doubled, railway strikes... and now not even enough water in the canals. And upping the costs of food, electricity, gas and everything else, so that people will choose to forego pleasure trips and think about where their next meal is coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 12:00:39 GMT
Notice Alert Oxford Canal Location: Hillmorton Lock 2 & 3 - 6 & 7, Oxford Canal Starts At: Lock 2, Hillmorton Bottom Lock (Tp) Ends At: Lock 7, Hillmorton Top Lock (Os) Up Stream Winding Hole: Bridge 74 OX-027-005 Down Stream Winding Hole: Bridge 53 OX-020-017 Friday 12 August 2022 16:00 until further notice Type: Navigation Closure Reason: Water resources I would suggest this stoppage alert is very clear and unambiguous. I accept it may be an error (and hope it is). Identical closure for Atherstone (albeit a slightly earlier time in the afternoon). Confusing isn't it. Rog I agree it is confusing, but what you are showing there is the header without the explanatory text. The text makes it clear it’s a restriction. No ... I'm showing the AMMENDED UPDATE to the original message which described time restrictions ... there is currently no closure ...according to the above the closure begins 12/8/22 Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 30, 2022 12:02:25 GMT
Yes I know it says “navigation closure” but when you read the body of the stoppage, it’s a restriction not a closure. It’s just that the person generating the stoppage notice selected the wrong thing from the drop down list. It’s the same when there has been a closure and it’s now open. The header on the updated notice often still says “Navigation closed” ( because they forgot to change it) when of course they mean the exact opposite. Have you got the email versions of the notices Nick? The body (with the restriction timings) is under the heading 'Original message'. The notices on the Web site don't have that. So not surprising there is confusion. The “Original Message” header is present on every email. If the situation changes, there is an Update header. So you are seeing the original message with the restrictions, that’s it. There is a different philosophy between the website and the emails. For example, a lock is broken. The email says “Original Message: the lock is broken”. The website says “the lock is broken”. When the problem is fixed, an updated email is sent out with the addition of “Update: the lock is now fixed and the navigation open” whereas on the website the stoppage notice is simply removed. Otherwise the website would be cluttered up with hundreds of “problem now fixed” messages. Anyway, the bottom line is that on 12th August onwards the locks will have restricted opening. At this stage there is no proposal to close the navigation completely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 12:02:38 GMT
I await ianali's update eagerly. We have already decided Monday morning we will ring C&RT in person. What a shower 🤣 Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 30, 2022 12:06:15 GMT
I agree it is confusing, but what you are showing there is the header without the explanatory text. The text makes it clear it’s a restriction. No ... I'm showing the AMMENDED UPDATE to the original message which described time restrictions ... there is currently no closure ...according to the above the closure begins 12/8/22 Rog I’m not seeing “Ammended update” in anything you’ve posted. Perhaps you should post the full email? My own email from CRT on the subject just has “original message” and I only got one. Anyway, regardless of what CRT actually said, what they meant to say was that restrictions are being introduced on 12th and there is no current plan to close.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jul 30, 2022 12:19:44 GMT
I await ianali 's update eagerly. We have already decided Monday morning we will ring C&RT in person. What a shower 🤣 Rog C&RT are closing Hilmorton and Atherstone so the grass on all the outside locksides can be cut properly. This is essential maintenance work because, as every real noddyboater knows, single locks such as Hilmorton and Atherstone are impossible to operate unless boatcrews can do a lot of unnecessary ladder climbing and marching about up and down both sides of the lock chambers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 12:20:37 GMT
Have you got the email versions of the notices Nick? The body (with the restriction timings) is under the heading 'Original message'. The notices on the Web site don't have that. So not surprising there is confusion. The “Original Message” header is present on every email. If the situation changes, there is an Update header. Just looked back on older emailed notices, you are correct. I must admit I read it the same way as Nick and still believe it's still just a restriction. Anyway Rog, won't you be through there by the 12th?
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 30, 2022 12:21:37 GMT
I await ianali 's update eagerly. We have already decided Monday morning we will ring C&RT in person. What a shower 🤣 Rog I wouldn’t bother, the person you speak to will just look at their computer and see exactly the same information as is on the stoppages page of their website.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 12:24:25 GMT
I await ianali 's update eagerly. We have already decided Monday morning we will ring C&RT in person. What a shower 🤣 Rog C&RT are closing Hilmorton and Atherstone so the grass on all the outside locksides can be cut properly. This is essential maintenance work because, as every real noddyboater knows, single locks such as Hilmorton and Atherstone are impossible to operate unless boatcrews can do a lot of unnecessary ladder climbing and marching about up and down both sides of the lock chambers. Grass cutting? Not seen much of that going on for a few months. Most of the places we've been moored up were overgrown. I don't really mind actually as it's good to see a bit of nature. If it's too long I cut it myself. Someone recently told me there was an issue with the new grass cutting contractors but not sure how true that is.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 30, 2022 12:29:33 GMT
But does it really matter if you don't operate a lock 100% 'efficiently'? Pleasure boating is all about... well... pleasure, so what does it matter if you deal with ladders and walking round a lock 'too much'? Boating these days is mostly for people who want to take things easy - they're not transporting cargo on a commission basis. I have heard many times how many boaters of Ye Olden Days couldn't really care less about the infrastructure and smashing things up, their only aim was to got from place to place as fast as possible so they could make more money. A bit like the eastern European truck drivers who have spread like the plague they are across the roads of other countries. Dog eat dog. Now the canals are overrun by elderly overly-wealthy pensioners boring you to death with details about their hip operation and digging out pictures of their grandchildren to put you into a coma.
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Post by twerp2 (Asleep) on Jul 30, 2022 12:43:29 GMT
But does it really matter if you don't operate a lock 100% 'efficiently'? Pleasure boating is all about... well... pleasure, so what does it matter if you deal with ladders and walking round a lock 'too much'? Boating these days is mostly for people who want to take things easy - they're not transporting cargo on a commission basis. I have heard many times how many boaters of Ye Olden Days couldn't really care less about the infrastructure and smashing things up, their only aim was to got from place to place as fast as possible so they could make more money. A bit like the eastern European truck drivers who have spread like the plague they are across the roads of other countries. Dog eat dog. Now the canals are overrun by elderly overly-wealthy pensioners boring you to death with details about their hip operation and digging out pictures of their grandchildren to put you into a coma. Dont forget boring everyone with tales of doom and gloom and new world order.
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