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Post by kris on Mar 21, 2018 11:00:03 GMT
I best not buy this then.
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Post by bargemast on Mar 21, 2018 17:04:57 GMT
I best not buy this then. That's the best thing to do, don't buy a barge like this. A "Dutch" barge, that has never been Dutch, and was even built in Belgium, it's just an ordinary Belgian Spits (nothing wrong with that though) Peter.
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Post by kris on Mar 21, 2018 17:16:15 GMT
I best not buy this then. That's the best thing to do, don't buy a barge like this. A "Dutch" barge, that has never been Dutch, and was even built in Belgium, it's just an ordinary Belgian Spits (nothing wrong with that though) Peter. Don't worry I knew it's not Dutch, you have to remember it's being advertised in the UK, so I'm surprised it's not being advertised as a luxemotor. Interesting price though, must be because of the legislation you where talking about. I've had no experience of Detroit diesels either.
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Post by bargemast on Mar 21, 2018 17:36:46 GMT
That's the best thing to do, don't buy a barge like this. A "Dutch" barge, that has never been Dutch, and was even built in Belgium, it's just an ordinary Belgian Spits (nothing wrong with that though) Peter. Don't worry I knew it's not Dutch, you have to remember it's being advertised in the UK, so I'm surprised it's not being advertised as a luxemotor. Interesting price though, must be because of the legislation you where talking about. I've had no experience of Detroit diesels either. These Detroit Diesel engines are very good engines that love to work hard all day long, they are 2 stroke engines, the older types like the ones that equipped the Sherman tanks had 2 exhaust valves per cylinder, later engines had 4 exhaust valves per cylinder. Most of these engines in the smaller barges are of the 71 series, the straight 6 was the most popular at the time, later often replaced by the V-6 or V-8, they are very cheap to overhaul as all the parts are standarised. Lots of the American trucks used to have the 71 series engines too, they were easy to recognise with their hauling noice. Here's some more info about them: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Diesel_Series_71 myself I've had a 6/71 and and 8V/71, excellent engines they were. Peter.
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Post by kris on Mar 21, 2018 17:40:49 GMT
Thanks very much Peter, I've seen that they are popular in commercial boats on your side of the water. So thought there must be a reason.
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Post by bargemast on Mar 21, 2018 19:21:24 GMT
Thanks very much Peter, I've seen that they are popular in commercial boats on your side of the water. So thought there must be a reason. For many barges, specially the Belgian ones, the GM 6/71 was their first engine, because lots of Sherman tanks and tons of spare parts were left in Belgium after the War. Most of the Belgian barges (and many French ones too) were built without engines and were always towed, so for them a cheap reliable (but badly smoking) GM was a perfect way to become independent of a towing service, they used the Sherman tank gearbox too, and there are still some barges trading like that, only now they have become non-smokers, with different pump injectors than the tanks used to have. Peter.
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Post by kris on Mar 21, 2018 19:28:41 GMT
Very interesting
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 19:47:38 GMT
If my circumstances were different I would really like to buy a Pèniche and have it shortened to about 20m. It would make a great cruising boat for the Thames. 5m beam is a lovely size for a boat. Not sure how it would handle but I think it'd be OK.
I have seen a shortened Pèniche at Nogent-sur-Marne near Paris. Funny looking but a nice living space.
At £35k the boat in kris' latest link would be a worthwhile project.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 21, 2018 19:55:35 GMT
If my circumstances were different I would really like to buy a Pèniche and have it shortened to about 20m. It would make a great cruising boat for the Thames. 5m beam is a lovely size for a boat. Not sure how it would handle but I think it'd be OK. I have seen a shortened Pèniche at Nogent-sur-Marne near Paris. Funny looking but a nice living space. At £35k the boat in kris' latest link would be a worthwhile project. that (shortened to 20M) is almost spot on Sabina H's size (64'6" x 16'6") and she handles ok
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Post by kris on Mar 21, 2018 19:57:59 GMT
It's not far off a Sheffield keels size as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 20:12:11 GMT
It's not far off a Sheffield keels size as well. Similar dimensions yes. I think the Belgian boat might have better plating so possibly better value in that sense. Not sure of the specifications for or how much it would cost to get it cut down but it does seem an interesting option to me. Edit to add just noted it is a Spits not a Peniche. Same applies I think as its still a 5m wide barge.
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Post by kris on Mar 21, 2018 20:13:29 GMT
Especially if your thinking of living in France.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 20:19:38 GMT
I wonder what the arrangements are for shortening boats. I can imagine all sorts of paperwork issues with it specially in france. Maybe get it cut in Belgium and bring it to France afterwards.
When we were in Migennes a few years ago there was a dutch Klipper being shortened in dry dock beside a lock. Looked about 20m. Maybe this was due to regulations.
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Post by bargemast on Mar 22, 2018 8:09:02 GMT
I wonder what the arrangements are for shortening boats. I can imagine all sorts of paperwork issues with it specially in france. Maybe get it cut in Belgium and bring it to France afterwards. When we were in Migennes a few years ago there was a dutch Klipper being shortened in dry dock beside a lock. Looked about 20m. Maybe this was due to regulations. That dutch Klipper was a 34M Belgian built Klipper built at Boom close to Antwerpen, the barge was shortened to 30M in the drydock at Migennes to 30M to be able to get to the new owners place in Toulouse. The same people shortened another barge in that drydock too, from 38M50 to 30M aswell, and they moved together to Toulouse where they have a business doing steelwork and other maintenance jobs on barges there. Both barges hadn't seen a drydock for at least 30 years and needed quite a lot of plating done to give them a better chance to get to Toulouse, they both were equipped with GM 6/71 engines with Sherman tank gearboxes and still had the smoking injector/fuelpumps. Nowadays they seem to call all commercial barges Péniche, instead of automoteur, or chaland, but the real péniche was a wooden barge of Freycinet dimensions 38M50 x 5M05. Belgian Spits- and Péniche are both good enough, and people will know what you mean. The good thing is that the Guillotine isn't used anymore, so there's no need to worry that they'll cut your head off, if you make a mistake in naming a barge differently. There are many shortened 38M barges around, if you like to see several togeter next time (or just another time) you are in France, downstream from Paris about 1.5km befor the lock of Surennes on the left bank, you'll find MARINA DE LA PASSERELLE DE L AVRE where there are between 5 and 10 of these, because of lenght restrictions there, as they are moored at a 90° angle to the quay. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 8:21:06 GMT
I'll have a look if there is a train going there as I am visiting my sister in a couple of weeks time. She lives in Pré St Gervais with her french Husband. I always like seeing the boats when in France. Also visiting Dijon. Where are you ? May be able to come and annoy you over a cup of tea if you happen to be on a train route
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