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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2018 8:22:17 GMT
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Post by waldamar on Aug 9, 2018 8:32:43 GMT
Thanks to all for replies, advice and links. Some of these I've found already, some not. Peter, interesting thoughts and sound advice. At present I have one I'm off to view listed with a broker - hands will be kept in pockets and heart will not win over head! Any boat in my budget will be a project but I still feel something just out of work may be the way to go - at least then [hopefully] hull will be sound...................
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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2018 8:49:16 GMT
Good luck at least your going in with your eyes open. Have you ever been to look at Swindon junction ? I don't know what hulls are left there and they would be old boats but there used to be a lot there.
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Post by bargemast on Aug 9, 2018 8:52:27 GMT
That wouldn't be a bad choice, but I personally would rather try to knock the price of "Easedale" or "Seagull" , that aren't all that much more expensive, down a bit and have it shortened to the wanted size, as they both have boatmans accomodations that one could live on while working on the conversion, which may be a real advantage.
Also a Lister Blackstone 3 cylinder is a beatifull engine, and so is the Kelvin engine (the TA-58 is unknown to me, maybe an error in the ad instead of TA-8 ?) if one of these barges would have been for sale 40 years ago, this message would have been written by the owner of one of them .
Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Aug 9, 2018 9:05:47 GMT
Thanks to all for replies, advice and links. Some of these I've found already, some not. Peter, interesting thoughts and sound advice. At present I have one I'm off to view listed with a broker - hands will be kept in pockets and heart will not win over head! Any boat in my budget will be a project but I still feel something just out of work may be the way to go - at least then [hopefully] hull will be sound................... If boats like that are for sale, it's often because they'll need work done to them that wouldn't be worth doing anymore, as the cost will be higher than the barge value, like a new engine, with all the new regulations one can't just put another old (but still running and better) engine as a replacement, the engine has to be conform to a new European value like with cars, Euro 5,6 or 7 maybe, all very costly, or any other expensive needed work to keep their trading licence valid.
Only if there's a genuine reason for the sale like retirement or death of the bargee, it could be a possible good buy, but don't believe the sales talking of the broker, without checking things out for yourself, sometimes talking to the bargees of barges that are tied up in the same area will give you some more usefull info about the real story.
Keep your eyes and ears wide open, and your wallet well closed, until you're at least 100% sure.
Peter.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 9, 2018 9:31:20 GMT
Thanks to all for replies, advice and links. Some of these I've found already, some not. Peter, interesting thoughts and sound advice. At present I have one I'm off to view listed with a broker - hands will be kept in pockets and heart will not win over head! Any boat in my budget will be a project but I still feel something just out of work may be the way to go - at least then [hopefully] hull will be sound................... If boats like that are for sale, it's often because they'll need work done to them that wouldn't be worth doing anymore, as the cost will be higher than the barge value, like a new engine, with all the new regulations one can't just put another old (but still running and better) engine as a replacement, the engine has to be conform to a new European value like with cars, Euro 5,6 or 7 maybe, all very costly, or any other expensive needed work to keep their trading licence valid.
Only if there's a genuine reason for the sale like retirement or death of the bargee, it could be a possible good buy, but don't believe the sales talking of the broker, without checking things out for yourself, sometimes talking to the bargees of barges that are tied up in the same area will give you some more usefull info about the real story.
Keep your eyes and ears wide open, and your wallet well closed, until you're at least 100% sure.
Peter.
the other reason in Yorkshire is that there is no more trade, it's 5 years since the ballast trade stopped ........ the promised sea dredged sand run still has not materialised and anyway there are far too many boats for it Also there are strong rumours that the Dog and Duck (where many barges are lying, waiting in the vain hope for work) is to be redeveloped as a rail jetty for the coasters as an expansion to Goole Port (what the effect will be on the two marinas and the visitors moorings/Waterways museum is anyone's guess) views from the Dog and Duck SAM_1473 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0939 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0936 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0935 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Incidentally two more that are for sale are just the other side on the old gravel wharfe by the museum SAM_1604 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_1605 by mudlarker2, on Flickr the one with the fine bow is the Easedale H
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Post by bargemast on Aug 9, 2018 10:19:28 GMT
If boats like that are for sale, it's often because they'll need work done to them that wouldn't be worth doing anymore, as the cost will be higher than the barge value, like a new engine, with all the new regulations one can't just put another old (but still running and better) engine as a replacement, the engine has to be conform to a new European value like with cars, Euro 5,6 or 7 maybe, all very costly, or any other expensive needed work to keep their trading licence valid.
Only if there's a genuine reason for the sale like retirement or death of the bargee, it could be a possible good buy, but don't believe the sales talking of the broker, without checking things out for yourself, sometimes talking to the bargees of barges that are tied up in the same area will give you some more usefull info about the real story.
Keep your eyes and ears wide open, and your wallet well closed, until you're at least 100% sure.
Peter.
the other reason in Yorkshire is that there is no more trade, it's 5 years since the ballast trade stopped ........ the promised sea dredged sand run still has not materialised and anyway there are far too many boats for it Also there are strong rumours that the Dog and Duck (where many barges are lying, waiting in the vain hope for work) is to be redeveloped as a rail jetty for the coasters as an expansion to Goole Port (what the effect will be on the two marinas and the visitors moorings/Waterways museum is anyone's guess) views from the Dog and Duck SAM_1473 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0939 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0936 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0935 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Incidentally two more that are for sale are just the other side on the old gravel wharfe by the museum SAM_1604 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_1605 by mudlarker2, on Flickr the one with the fine bow is the Easedale H That's another genuine reason for which most of these barges are for sale, sadly because there's no trade for them anymore, and sofar nothing but empty promisses about starting up again, it's a sad situation.
But for potential buyers a reason the more to do their barge-shopping in Yorkshire, there are some real bargains to be had there.
I really hope that they'll find new owners for them, people that buy them and have the means to finish their dreams (which isn't often the case).
Peter.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 9, 2018 10:35:06 GMT
the other reason in Yorkshire is that there is no more trade, it's 5 years since the ballast trade stopped ........ the promised sea dredged sand run still has not materialised and anyway there are far too many boats for it Also there are strong rumours that the Dog and Duck (where many barges are lying, waiting in the vain hope for work) is to be redeveloped as a rail jetty for the coasters as an expansion to Goole Port (what the effect will be on the two marinas and the visitors moorings/Waterways museum is anyone's guess) views from the Dog and Duck SAM_1473 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0939 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0936 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0935 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Incidentally two more that are for sale are just the other side on the old gravel wharfe by the museum SAM_1604 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_1605 by mudlarker2, on Flickr the one with the fine bow is the Easedale H That's another genuine reason for which most of these barges are for sale, sadly because there's no trade for them anymore, and sofar nothing but empty promisses about starting up again, it's a sad situation.
But for potential buyers a reason the more to do their barge-shopping in Yorkshire, there are some real bargains to be had there.
I really hope that they'll find new owners for them, people that buy them and have the means to finish their dreams (which isn't often the case).
Peter.
as you say Peter, many end up as failed projects, often made difficult for further restoration by dodgy repairs. ........ You need a lot of staying power to do a reclaim on an ex working boat .... especially an old one
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Post by bargemast on Aug 9, 2018 11:37:24 GMT
That's another genuine reason for which most of these barges are for sale, sadly because there's no trade for them anymore, and sofar nothing but empty promisses about starting up again, it's a sad situation.
But for potential buyers a reason the more to do their barge-shopping in Yorkshire, there are some real bargains to be had there.
I really hope that they'll find new owners for them, people that buy them and have the means to finish their dreams (which isn't often the case).
Peter.
as you say Peter, many end up as failed projects, often made difficult for further restoration by dodgy repairs. ........ You need a lot of staying power to do a reclaim on an ex working boat .... especially an old one "Sabina H" is the proof that some people do succeed, but many forget that it's a huge sacrifice of time, savings and possibly even family life.
This is often why these projects are never finished, as in the dreams it doesn't look as such a huge job, and it will never take as much time.
Waking up too late can be very painful.
Peter.
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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2018 14:25:30 GMT
That's another genuine reason for which most of these barges are for sale, sadly because there's no trade for them anymore, and sofar nothing but empty promisses about starting up again, it's a sad situation.
But for potential buyers a reason the more to do their barge-shopping in Yorkshire, there are some real bargains to be had there.
I really hope that they'll find new owners for them, people that buy them and have the means to finish their dreams (which isn't often the case).
Peter.
as you say Peter, many end up as failed projects, often made difficult for further restoration by dodgy repairs. ........ You need a lot of staying power to do a reclaim on an ex working boat .... especially an old one Ain't this the truth.
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Post by waldamar on Aug 9, 2018 19:31:09 GMT
And, TBH that's why I'm steering clear of magnificent historical vessels - I've done this before with boats [and vehicles] if I can afford something amazing it's because it's knackered - if it wasn't knackered I'd not be able to afford it............................... a lesson it's taken a long time to learn. [there is a mid '80s Bentley down the road for £2500 - still tempted] So back to boats, I need to check out this Dutch situation - if the new regs are making sound vessels obsolete now may be the time...................
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Post by bargemast on Aug 10, 2018 6:31:51 GMT
And, TBH that's why I'm steering clear of magnificent historical vessels - I've done this before with boats [and vehicles] if I can afford something amazing it's because it's knackered - if it wasn't knackered I'd not be able to afford it............................... a lesson it's taken a long time to learn. [there is a mid '80s Bentley down the road for £2500 - still tempted]So back to boats, I need to check out this Dutch situation - if the new regs are making sound vessels obsolete now may be the time................... They are nice as they still have some caracter, not really big enough to live on (in) though, and also sounds a bit small for the big mooring you've got
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 7:40:24 GMT
At least with a decent size boat you could arrange to park the Bentley on the roof. The other day in Paris I saw one of the very large peniches on the Seine which had not 1 or 2 cars on top but 3. All on top of the stern cabin and it wasn't crowded.
Only problem is in englandland there is a very limited number of places where one could load or offload a vehicle from a boat because its unusual to get a roadway immediately beside a waterway. In France its completely different.
I did once see a little Fiat 500 (real one none of the modern rubbish) in the well deck of a narrow boat on a raising platform. That was quite clever.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 7:44:52 GMT
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Post by bargemast on Aug 10, 2018 8:13:04 GMT
"HEN" looks good, but would need to be towed to his mooring.
Peter.
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