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Post by kris on Aug 8, 2018 18:24:34 GMT
Its a good idea to sail it. Makes the engine reliability question less important. I just hope it has lee boards or whatever and a boom. Twat
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 18:27:21 GMT
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Post by kris on Aug 8, 2018 18:58:41 GMT
Bless you
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Post by bargemast on Aug 8, 2018 19:08:01 GMT
Seems a bit to good to be true, plus I know absolutely nothing about getting her back here............ It's cheap because its almost impossible to run such a big boat as a pleasure craft in Europe now. Bargemaster will be along to explain. As for getting it over here, hire a Dutch/Belgium skipper to sail it. IF the barge has the required papers and equipment, and the steerer of it has his/her paperwork in order too, than it's not a problem, but there will always be plenty of other problems, like finding a mooring spot not too far from places where people are living and where you'll be able to find shops etc.
There's normally a reason for barges being relatively cheap, so you better beware, as a cheap barge may end up rapidly costing you more than you can afford.
So whatever you're planning on buying, and even more in a foreign country, have the barge surveyed, better to possibly lose some money on a survey, than everything you own on a wreck.
From that point of view, it's often better to pay some more to start with, and get yourself a decent base to do what you want with.
If you read a few pages back, you can see that there was more than just the ashtray that would stop me from buying that barge.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 19:29:41 GMT
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Post by kris on Aug 8, 2018 19:34:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 19:39:54 GMT
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Post by waldamar on Aug 8, 2018 22:31:51 GMT
Peter, can you explain more please? If I were to buy this barge, with a bill of sale, would it be simple to get her out of Belgium? or are the regs so strict she can't be moved? Understood re surveys etc. Kind regards.
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Post by bargemast on Aug 9, 2018 6:55:20 GMT
Peter, can you explain more please? If I were to buy this barge, with a bill of sale, would it be simple to get her out of Belgium? or are the regs so strict she can't be moved? Understood re surveys etc. Kind regards. Just a bill of sale may not be enough, as that's only something between the seller and you.
You should have something slightly more official to prove that you've bought that barge on which were no debts or other liens prevending you from officially being the legal owner, that's the sort of work a notary can do for you, or an official barge broker, sometimes a bit cheaper.
About your rights to navigate the waterways with a barge that hasn't got the right actual approvals to do so, I don't know how you can get away with that, maybe just do, and hope that nobody will ask any questions, but it's more then likely that that won't work, as boats longer than 20m must be equipped with an AIS system and the waterway police, lock keepers and other barges will see that your barge isn't equipped with the system, and they can stop you until that installation is done.
A lot of administrational requirements have changed over the years, I bought my last commercial barge from Belgium in '83 many years before the Euro, and very complicated and expensive arrangements with bank transfers between France and Belgium at the time.
You are lucky that those dealings are very much simplyfied nowadays, but there may be lots of new other pitfalls, one of the reasons why I suggested you look at buying in the UK instead of on the other side of the Channel.
But as you are of course completely free to do whatever you want with your time and money, these decisions are up to you.
For the rest, the possibly best advise I can give you is to become a member of a club of which many members more or less regulary cross the Channel, and you'll likely find the best up to date answers on your questions there.
This club is called the DBA, on their website : www.barges.org you can become a member for £35 and use their forum to ask all the questions you want, on which many experienced Channel crossers will be able to answer.
Good luck with your project,
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 7:54:51 GMT
May have been mentioned before. This is the big cheap Dutch boat in the UK I was thinking of. In Anglesey 120ft. Asking £28k. Not details of engine. Stripped interior m.apolloduck.com/boat.phtml?id=575591Not 100% sure what it is but looks motorised
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Post by kris on Aug 9, 2018 7:58:19 GMT
There's not much info about that boat at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 8:09:59 GMT
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Post by bargemast on Aug 9, 2018 8:10:56 GMT
May have been mentioned before. This is the big cheap Dutch boat in the UK I was thinking of. In Anglesey 120ft. Asking £28k. Not details of engine. Stripped interior m.apolloduck.com/boat.phtml?id=575591Not 100% sure what it is but looks motorised It doensn't look like they want to sell this barge, as they give no information about it at all.
Make: Dutch Dandy Builder : Dutch Dandy they're only known for very small boats, useless photo, useless info from the sellers.
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Post by bargemast on Aug 9, 2018 8:14:22 GMT
Only needs a quick lick of paint, and Robert will be your mothers brother
Peter.
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