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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 19:33:32 GMT
Ah. I thought you hated narrow boats? I hate them too but that's due to more than a decade living in one ! A good rule of thumb is 50ft if its just you. I had 55ft and it was me and the dog. We did go most places and live off grid so space was nice but a bit shorter would have been ok. If its a primary residence I think 45ft+. 40ft is manageable by some loonies. Mr Stabby gets away with 40ft but I'm not sure if he is real or just a robot. I don't hate narrow boats, I dislike the narrow mindedness and conservatism that seems to go with them. I've got a few friends that live on smaller narrowboats 40-45ft. They are alright as long as they are laid out sensibly. The friends or the boats?
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Post by kris on Oct 20, 2018 19:40:49 GMT
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Post by JohnV on Oct 21, 2018 6:31:10 GMT
It must have sold if it's in Leicestershire as stated in the advert, as the original owner is from Lancashire. It is a lovely little boat and as you say great for the narrow canals. I've sailed it, it sails lovely. The price would scare me off. This is the kind of boat I would love to retire on to.When you're getting older maintaining and still restoring and old (but very nice) Leeds & Liverpool Shortboat, will be quite a task. snip A boat that could do me would be this "Kormoran 940", which is only about 1' longer than "Anna" but a lot wider, and I think that I could live on one like that without too many difficulties. Peter. I think that is the first boat that you have posted Peter, that I really don't like. That is far too much like a floating container for me, however practical. I think I will just struggle on maintaining Sabina H until I fall off the perch.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 7:25:21 GMT
How do short fat boats handle? I'd wondered about this one www.alanpease.co.uk/boats/littlekirkby.html32ftx15ft10 !! I guess it would be almost useless by itself and dive around too much. In terms of internal space it could be made into a very nice cave to live in for the Thames.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2018 8:43:26 GMT
When you're getting older maintaining and still restoring and old (but very nice) Leeds & Liverpool Shortboat, will be quite a task. snip A boat that could do me would be this "Kormoran 940", which is only about 1' longer than "Anna" but a lot wider, and I think that I could live on one like that without too many difficulties. Peter. I think that is the first boat that you have posted Peter, that I really don't like. That is far too much like a floating container for me, however practical. I think I will just struggle on maintaining Sabina H until I fall off the perch. I don't blame you at all John for not liking that boat (floating container ), I don't think that it's a pretty boat either. But... it's a very spacious and well fitted-out boat that I could easily enough live on and cruise with (I think) About 10 years ago, there was an open day at a hireboat base in France of the German company that builds these boats, and they were going to show their first 15m that I was interested in seeing in the flesh. When I went there, there was no 15m, because when it was ready to be moved to France a buyer came by and wanted that boat straight away, and didn't want to wait for the next one, and so they sold it. Because I was unhappy about that, the owner of the business that was there for the open day let me have a spin on all the different boats they had there to show to the public, and I did like the little 940's handling, the way it was fitted-out and all of the installations, really solid German work, everything nea t and tidy.
When you live on the boat, you don't see the outside all hat much, that's more for other people to look at, and to be perfectly honest, I don't care if other people like the looks of my boat, as long as I'm happy with it, as that's the only important point of it.
It is however not all that likely that you'll read anything about me owning one like this, as they're well above my budget (for the time being).
Hope that there will be many years between now and the moment you'll fall of the perch, and that you can enjoy all the hard work you've done on "Sabina H" still for a long time.
Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2018 8:51:14 GMT
How do short fat boats handle? I'd wondered about this one www.alanpease.co.uk/boats/littlekirkby.html32ftx15ft10 !! I guess it would be almost useless by itself and dive around too much. In terms of internal space it could be made into a very nice cave to live in for the Thames. The way short fat boats handle is for a big part depending on how they are shaped under water, but they always require much more attention at the helm than a much longer boat. On a long boat you can leave the wheel for a bit without the boat (barge) changing drasticly the direction in which you were going, a very short boat may have done almost a 180° turn in that time. That "Little Kirkby" is a very much shortened boat that was made into a pusher, and when pushing handles like a big boat, so nothing to worry about, but short as the boat is now, I reckon that it will need a lot more concentration and attention to go in a straight line for a longer period, so I don't think that it will be relaxed cruising. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 8:53:41 GMT
I wouldn't mind an RLL euro wotsit "peniche" barge. I pass this one regularly at Richmond and while I don't particularly like the look it is going to be very comfortable to live on and handle single handed which is how I always have operated all of my boats and intend to in future. One of these Peter Nicholls does a similar one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 9:03:14 GMT
as for German stuff. Yes they make good equipment. However I would rather buy British. I've been considering an electric pod drive for one of my boats as a secondary prop system (built into rudder) and almost all of the available units are German. Why is that? How come there does not seem to be a British manufacturer of small (5-10kw) electric pod drives ?
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2018 9:06:54 GMT
as for German stuff. Yes they make good equipment. However I would rather buy British. I've been considering an electric pod drive for one of my boats as a secondary prop system (built into rudder) and almost all of the available units are German. Why is that? How come there does not seem to be a British manufacturer of small (5-10kw) electric pod drives ? Because in the eighties the German gov supported the manufacturing industry, whereas in this country they ripped the heart out of it. They believed all we had to do is have a large financial services industry in London.
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Post by kris on Oct 21, 2018 9:10:27 GMT
I quite like this, even though it is a bit boxy. It's a good size.http://www.alanpease.co.uk/boats/kevm.html
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2018 9:28:09 GMT
I wouldn't mind an RLL euro wotsit "peniche" barge. I pass this one regularly at Richmond and while I don't particularly like the look it is going to be very comfortable to live on and handle single handed which is how I always have operated all of my boats and intend to in future. One of these Peter Nicholls does a similar one. There are quite a few of these Euro Classic boats on the French waterways, they were developped for luxurious hire boats, and for private owners that wanted an alternative for a real Dutch barge. One of our forum members "Albion" (Roger) bought one brand new one, and he had loads of very expensive work done on his boat to make it handle like a boat, which never really worked out satisfactory for him, only interesting for the yard that was doing all the changes. In the end he was so fed-up that he sold the boat, and then, had a brand new lovely barge build by Sagar, that was 100 times (or more) better, and that handled that a boat should. These Euro Classic boats were built at different yards, of which several went bankrupt, a few handled much better than others, some didn't get any water to their props and almost went forward if you reversed hard, because the water couldn't get past the badly shaped stern. No idea if the RLL or the Peter Nicholls ones are any better, although it would be hard to do anything worse. Inside they were (are) very comfortable and spacious that's a sure thing. Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2018 9:30:22 GMT
as for German stuff. Yes they make good equipment. However I would rather buy British. I've been considering an electric pod drive for one of my boats as a secondary prop system (built into rudder) and almost all of the available units are German. Why is that? How come there does not seem to be a British manufacturer of small (5-10kw) electric pod drives ?Possibly because they're still in the process of designing a good name and a good badge, to rebadge a German product that has proved to be good and reliable. Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 21, 2018 9:42:42 GMT
I quite like this, even though it is a bit boxy. It's a good size.http://www.alanpease.co.uk/boats/kevm.html If the hull is sound, that would be a good base for a conversion for not too much money. Cut everything above deck level off, and start again with something less boxy. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 12:20:52 GMT
I wouldn't mind an RLL euro wotsit "peniche" barge. I pass this one regularly at Richmond and while I don't particularly like the look it is going to be very comfortable to live on and handle single handed which is how I always have operated all of my boats and intend to in future. One of these Peter Nicholls does a similar one. There are quite a few of these Euro Classic boats on the French waterways, they were developped for luxurious hire boats, and for private owners that wanted an alternative for a real Dutch barge. One of our forum members "Albion" (Roger) bought one brand new one, and he had loads of very expensive work done on his boat to make it handle like a boat, which never really worked out satisfactory for him, only interesting for the yard that was doing all the changes. In the end he was so fed-up that he sold the boat, and then, had a brand new lovely barge build by Sagar, that was 100 times (or more) better, and that handled that a boat should. These Euro Classic boats were built at different yards, of which several went bankrupt, a few handled much better than others, some didn't get any water to their props and almost went forward if you reversed hard, because the water couldn't get past the badly shaped stern. No idea if the RLL or the Peter Nicholls ones are any better, although it would be hard to do anything worse. Inside they were (are) very comfortable and spacious that's a sure thing. Peter. I did wonder about handling. I know from experience (owning two pick well and Arnold boats) that putting in decent swims and chine plates does reduce internal space. But it also makes a boat handle well. I would not want a boat which handles poorly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 12:21:59 GMT
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