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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 12:53:23 GMT
maybe its just a typo and they meant to write " ditch barge". I suppose with the wheelhouse and wheel it is sort of bargèsque. Not sure what the front end of the vessel is all about but its a (vaguely) free country so I guess it can be allowed. That sounds like the real name that it deserves. It could be used as an ice-breaker with it's pointy bow, and if that doesn't do the job well enough, they can "ditch" the thing. Peter. Its not going to break ice because the hull sides are vertical. To break ice you need a boat which will rise up onto the ice. One option may be to do a Top Gear caravan experiment with it. Get a really big (and I mean BIG) crane, find an area of canal with some thick ice (and I mean THICK) lift the boat right up to the maximum available height then cut the cable. As gravity takes over the boat will become an ice breaker due to physics. I'm not sure how you would get the boat there it would probably have to be road transported as it will clearly not be able to travel along a waterway with ice in it.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 25, 2019 12:54:33 GMT
That's an interesting concept. The term "Dutch barge" is so well known its almost generic. I've been asked about my barge "Is it a Dutch barge" I had to answer "no its an English barge". This answer always causes surprise. The only other person I have come across using the term "English barge" was tb member @loddon when he owned Parglena which is a modern reduced size copy of a duker barge I believe. Made in England. I always liked "Parglena" and still have the photo's Loddon put up once about the lenghtening of his barge, very interesting they were. "Parglena" was built by another sadly no longer trading Yorkshire builder that used to build good quality boats, mainly on his own. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 12:56:02 GMT
The only other person I have come across using the term "English barge" was tb member @loddon when he owned Parglena which is a modern reduced size copy of a duker barge I believe. Made in England. I always liked "Parglena" and still have the photo's Loddon put up once about the lenghtening of his barge, very interesting they were. "Parglena" was built by another sadly no longer trading Yorkshire builder that used to build good quality boats, mainly on his own. Peter. Not checked it on the boat list but was it Tayberg ?
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Post by bargemast on Feb 25, 2019 13:12:15 GMT
That sounds like the real name that it deserves. It could be used as an ice-breaker with it's pointy bow, and if that doesn't do the job well enough, they can "ditch" the thing. Peter. Its not going to break ice because the hull sides are vertical. To break ice you need a boat which will rise up onto the ice.
One option may be to do a Top Gear caravan experiment with it. Get a really big (and I mean BIG) crane, find an area of canal with some thick ice (and I mean THICK) lift the boat right up to the maximum available height then cut the cable. As gravity takes over the boat will become an ice breaker due to physics. I'm not sure how you would get the boat there it would probably have to be road transported as it will clearly not be able to travel along a waterway with ice in it. You're surely right, I wonder how I managed to break the ice in one of the harbours in Amsterdam (when barges didn't get through it anymore) with a rather pointy Tug of the Amsterdammer type, that didn't clime on the ice, but managed to get through it well enough to make a path for the barges. But of course I'm speaking of 45 years ago, and the ice must have been different then, if my memory is right they made that ice of frozen water at the time . For breaking ice during this ice period when I had to deliver a laden barge somewhere to a quay to unload, but couldn't get closer than about 5 meters from that quay, the crane that was there to empty the barge, instead of using a crane and a caravan, had a 2 ton wrecking ball delivered and broke the ice by letting that drop from the top of the crane until all the ice was smashed up enough to enable me to get to the quay. When the barge was empty, it was impossible to leave as everything had been frozen up again, and the boat was forced to stay there for 3 weeks until the ice was starting to melt, the navigation there was closed during that time, as it was on a rarely used stretch of canal. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 13:12:59 GMT
I always liked "Parglena" and still have the photo's Loddon put up once about the lenghtening of his barge, very interesting they were. "Parglena" was built by another sadly no longer trading Yorkshire builder that used to build good quality boats, mainly on his own. Peter. Not checked it on the boat list but was it Tayberg ? Yes, built in a small shed How he built such a large boat there I will never know.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 25, 2019 13:14:29 GMT
I always liked "Parglena" and still have the photo's Loddon put up once about the lenghtening of his barge, very interesting they were. "Parglena" was built by another sadly no longer trading Yorkshire builder that used to build good quality boats, mainly on his own. Peter. Not checked it on the boat list but was it Tayberg ? Yes, it was, and very close to his place in Brighouse too, was another good builder that closed down due to the lack of clients, the yard of "Sagar" Peter.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 25, 2019 13:19:52 GMT
Sagar Marine produced some decent boats, remember talking to someone who owned one when I was in Shardlow, remember it was built in the 80's but don't remember the name (or the guy actually, must be age related brain fade)
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Post by bargemast on Feb 25, 2019 13:23:06 GMT
Not checked it on the boat list but was it Tayberg ? Yes, built in a small shed How he built such a large boat there I will never know. Just found a photo of his shed that I took the last time I was there Peter
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Post by bargemast on Feb 25, 2019 13:27:12 GMT
Sagar Marine produced some decent boats, remember talking to someone who owned one when I was in Shardlow, remember it was built in the 80's but don't remember the name (or the guy actually, must be age related brain fade) One of our TB members, Roger who lives in Skipton (TB name-Albion) had a very nice example that was build by them too, named "Phoenix". Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 13:57:39 GMT
But of course I'm speaking of 45 years ago, and the ice must have been different then, if my memory is right they made that ice of frozen water at the time . Peter. Times have changed peter. Ice is now formed with stranded polymer reinforcement made from strategically placed bits of shredded waste plastic bags. its a lot harder to break. Plus I bet your a amsterdammer tug did not have plumb vertical sides like the "thing" in the picture.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 14:07:31 GMT
Not checked it on the boat list but was it Tayberg ? Yes, built in a small shed How he built such a large boat there I will never know. I passed it just below staines railway bridge at 7.30 this morning Well I did not specially notice it was there but it usually is. At Tims boatyard. Looks a bit smaller there than it did above lock 59 Next time I'm passing I'll get a photo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 14:50:10 GMT
Yes, built in a small shed How he built such a large boat there I will never know. I passed it just below staines railway bridge at 7.30 this morning Well I did not specially notice it was there but it usually is. At Tims boatyard. Looks a bit smaller there than it did above lock 59 Next time I'm passing I'll get a photo. Slightly bigger waterway Its been there for 7 years this summer, wonder if it ever moves? It was bought by a couple and it was their first boat, really in at the deep end. Still time for us to move on again, we are leaving our mooring next month for pastures new after 25 years to the day since I moved here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 14:52:24 GMT
Yes, built in a small shed How he built such a large boat there I will never know. Just found a photo of his shed that I took the last time I was there Peter That's the one. I don't have the photos of Parglena inside there I passed them on to the new owner.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 25, 2019 14:59:13 GMT
But of course I'm speaking of 45 years ago, and the ice must have been different then, if my memory is right they made that ice of frozen water at the time . Peter. Times have changed peter. Ice is now formed with stranded polymer reinforcement made from strategically placed bits of shredded waste plastic bags. its a lot harder to break. Plus I bet your a amsterdammer tug did not have plumb vertical sides like the "thing" in the picture. Not far off, by what the photo will show you, to my untrained eyes, the sides look pretty plumb and vertical. Yes, but I bet is hasn't got a round bottom, or yes, but it has only 1 door at the back of the wheelhouse. I know they're not the same boats, which I didn't say to start with. Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 25, 2019 15:05:25 GMT
Just found a photo of his shed that I took the last time I was there Peter That's the one. I don't have the photos of Parglena inside there I passed them on to the new owner. I still have a close up photo of his visious gard dog too that you can just about see on the photo of the entrance of his shed Peter.
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