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Post by Aloysius on Feb 1, 2023 9:00:37 GMT
Gardner 8L3 It is a very nice boat. I think being steel it would want seeing out of the water. Complicated to do that. What is this ? Hull type:Hard to soft It is a rather interesting description. I suppose one could pose the question.
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Post by kris on Feb 1, 2023 9:00:52 GMT
Anyway... Most idly speculating about this boat, it seems good value despite the obvious issues (engine not in working order, covered in barnacles for gawd knows how long and lots of unfinished jobs) but overall, and assuming the hull is ok (but even getting it somewhere to have it surveyed might be an expensive business), it seems good value...I imagine the asking price could be subject to negotiation... But the literal elephant in the engine-room is that, supposing it could be made to run with a good service, you would need a government-sized budget to use it - around 40 gallons of diesel per hour @ 1500rpm - crikey. So one might think about swapping out the engine for something you could live with, and this seems possible given that second-hand asking-prices for such an engine sit at around £15,000 (and often somewhat more). Thus, if one were unhinged enough to do such a thing, what engine might you replace it with? £15,000 for an unworkung engine? Anyway going along with your premise of replacing the engine, I’d go for a Gardner as well but probably a 6lw rather than the rarer 8cylinder suggested by Andrew.
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Post by on Feb 1, 2023 9:30:20 GMT
Gardner 8L3 It is a very nice boat. I think being steel it would want seeing out of the water. Complicated to do that. What is this ? Hull type:Hard to soft It is a rather interesting description. I suppose one could pose the question. Hard chine and soft chine I think. I suspect it is rather an attractive thing to see in dock. I bet it is a deep thing.
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Post by Aloysius on Feb 1, 2023 9:32:37 GMT
Anyway... Most idly speculating about this boat, it seems good value despite the obvious issues (engine not in working order, covered in barnacles for gawd knows how long and lots of unfinished jobs) but overall, and assuming the hull is ok (but even getting it somewhere to have it surveyed might be an expensive business), it seems good value...I imagine the asking price could be subject to negotiation... But the literal elephant in the engine-room is that, supposing it could be made to run with a good service, you would need a government-sized budget to use it - around 40 gallons of diesel per hour @ 1500rpm - crikey. So one might think about swapping out the engine for something you could live with, and this seems possible given that second-hand asking-prices for such an engine sit at around £15,000 (and often somewhat more). Thus, if one were unhinged enough to do such a thing, what engine might you replace it with? £15,000 for an unworkung engine? Anyway going along with your premise of replacing the engine, I’d go for a Gardner as well but probably a 6lw rather than the rarer 8cylinder suggested by Andrew. It seems such a price is realistic even if it isn't running; most offers are fair bit further north of that figure. Having it in running order would of course be preferable; I'd suppose that, assuming all the big bits (like block and cylinder head) are ok, then by the time the injectors, injector pump and governor have been serviced (I'd make a guess of around £1500 to have all that and fitted by someone qualified) then it would stand a fair chance of operating - the current owner says the thing turns over... but as previously stated, this is all very idle speculation.
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Post by kris on Feb 1, 2023 9:38:45 GMT
£15,000 for an unworkung engine? Anyway going along with your premise of replacing the engine, I’d go for a Gardner as well but probably a 6lw rather than the rarer 8cylinder suggested by Andrew. It seems such a price is realistic even if it isn't running; most offers are fair bit further north of that figure. Having it in running order would of course be preferable; I'd suppose that, assuming all the big bits (like block and cylinder head) are ok, then by the time the injectors, injector pump and governor have been serviced (I'd make a guess of around £1500 to have all that and fitted by someone qualified) then it would stand a fair chance of operating - the current owner says the thing turns over... but as previously stated, this is all very idle speculation. It does seem like an optimistic estimate. But then I suppose the cat engines are used in industrial machines so maybe. If it’s working or not would make a huge difference: If you could get £15,000 for it. It would cover the cost of st of fitting a replacement.
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Post by Aloysius on Feb 1, 2023 9:38:58 GMT
It is a rather interesting description. I suppose one could pose the question. Hard chine and soft chine I think. I suspect it is rather an attractive thing to see in dock. I bet it is a deep thing. I find most boats to look better out of the water so one can more fully appreciate the lines and all that.
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Post by on Feb 1, 2023 9:42:45 GMT
Modern narrow boats excepted.
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Post by Aloysius on Feb 1, 2023 11:33:25 GMT
Anyway given the obsolete nature of the Gardner range, and the premium placed upon such things by those who respect the legacy and all that, it might be better to select a lump from that which is currently available from stock...some model of Kubota frinstance.
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Post by kris on Feb 1, 2023 12:54:25 GMT
Anyway given the obsolete nature of the Gardner range, and the premium placed upon such things by those who respect the legacy and all that, it might be better to select a lump from that which is currently available from stock...some model of Kubota frinstance. Still plenty of spares available for gardners. The 6lws are available cheap because they are too big for narrowboats.
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Post by kris on Feb 1, 2023 13:00:49 GMT
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Post by on Feb 1, 2023 13:33:01 GMT
Nice !
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Post by kris on Feb 1, 2023 14:03:42 GMT
yes I thought so, bilge keel is the only slight niggle. But actually how much sailing would you be doing?
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Post by on Feb 1, 2023 14:30:47 GMT
Interesting it is 30ft x 10ft x3ft4.
6.5 tonnes.
Odd coincidence as Dulcinea is 30ftx10ft6x3ft4 and weighs 16 tonnes.
I expect the keels are what makes the draught. At least it should be able to take the ground which could be useful I imagine.
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Post by kris on Feb 1, 2023 14:41:00 GMT
Interesting it is 30ft x 10ft x3ft4. 6.5 tonnes. Odd coincidence as Dulcinea is 30ftx10ft6x3ft4 and weighs 16 tonnes. I expect the keels are what makes the draught. At least it should be able to take the ground which could be useful I imagine. The only thing I might be a problem is the headroom. Also I wouldn’t be over kean on a Peugeot engine. But something like this would sort me out.
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Post by on Feb 1, 2023 14:45:42 GMT
I wondered about the headroom. I think the engine is fine. I suppose it might have a cam belt which is always silly on boats but quite a lot of continental boats seem to have these units. If Peter bargemast was still about I'm sure he would know about the pitfalls. It seems like a great boat. Didn't look that carefully at it but what is the deal with folding the mast? Practical ?
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