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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 20:04:56 GMT
You said it was an option for guests? For the simple ones, it's an option provided by proboards for the admin of forums to decide to use or not. There are other options available and yes your definition is correct. Even a member here who is viewing the forum not logged in would be considered a guest at that moment. Hardly rocket science. Not sure you understand - the current settings on the TUB require you to register and be approved by the forum admin to view any of the forum.
That and the fact admitted here on TB that your membership may go to a vote of members is enough for me to keep clear.
This is coming from someone who has just fort ( ) a battle with the dreaded Facebook just to allow me to track a fuel boat. I won eventually without providing a picture of me....!
I'm intrigued about the difference between this forum and the TUB in terms of settings chosen by the forum admin.
What advantage is gained by having the forum publicly viewable? I assumed this was advertising revenue but there doesn't seem to be any advertising on here.
Other possibility is that the admin truely believe in openness and freedom of speech. This would be good if true.
Having a forum which requires a login to view is too similar to a facebook private group which I personally think is one of the worst things that ever happened on the internet.
Why would people feel the need to hide what they write ? I don't get it.
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Post by fi on Nov 7, 2022 20:17:18 GMT
Why would people feel the need to hide what they write ? I don't get it.
It is like any other private members club - people want to be with people who are like themselves. People don't want to hear others disagree - that is disagreeable... You can only disagree with views within our strict/not so strict rules.
Nothing changes, but the more people hide from different views the more divided people become. In my opinion.
Some rules are needed though. The fox covid issue could easily have been sorted by restricting him to say 10 posts per day - still would have allowed foxy to post but not take over the forum. Current stuff could be dealt with by some sort of similar moderation - far too late now though.
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Post by metanoia on Nov 7, 2022 20:24:45 GMT
Why would people feel the need to hide what they write ? I don't get it.
It is like any other private members club - people want to be with people who are like themselves. People don't want to hear others disagree - that is disagreeable... You can only disagree with views within our strict/not so strict rules.
Nothing changes, but the more people hide from different views the more divided people become. In my opinion.
Some rules are needed though. The fox covid issue could easily have been sorted by restricting him to say 10 posts per day - still would have allowed foxy to post but not take over the forum. Current stuff could be dealt with by some sort of similar moderation - far too late now though.
BUT - wasn't that the whole point of an "unmoderated forum"?
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Post by fi on Nov 7, 2022 20:28:34 GMT
It is like any other private members club - people want to be with people who are like themselves. People don't want to hear others disagree - that is disagreeable... You can only disagree with views within our strict/not so strict rules.
Nothing changes, but the more people hide from different views the more divided people become. In my opinion.
Some rules are needed though. The fox covid issue could easily have been sorted by restricting him to say 10 posts per day - still would have allowed foxy to post but not take over the forum. Current stuff could be dealt with by some sort of similar moderation - far too late now though.
BUT - wasn't that the whole point of an "unmoderated forum"? It was but the 'care in the community' project failed.
Now we have a 'lunatic asylum' and a 'facist' forum.................
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 20:32:54 GMT
I don't think there were ever enough posters on here to dilute the input from post whores.
Maybe post whoring is just a natural outcome of unmoderated forums.
Most people prefer moderation. Fair enough.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 7, 2022 20:46:11 GMT
Not sure you understand - the current settings on the TUB require you to register and be approved by the forum admin to view any of the forum.
That and the fact admitted here on TB that your membership may go to a vote of members is enough for me to keep clear.
This is coming from someone who has just fort ( ) a battle with the dreaded Facebook just to allow me to track a fuel boat. I won eventually without providing a picture of me....!
Having a forum which requires a login to view is too similar to a facebook private group which I personally think is one of the worst things that ever happened on the internet.
Why would people feel the need to hide what they write ? I don't get it.
I'm an admin on a private Facebook group. The reason we changed from public to private was that we started being over-run by spammers and scammers. It's not difficult to join, there are four stupidly simple multiple choice questions which humans will have a 100% chance of getting right whereas bots only have a 25% chance of getting right. This means that all humans get through whereas only 1 in 256 bots get through.
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Post by metanoia on Nov 7, 2022 20:48:48 GMT
Having a forum which requires a login to view is too similar to a facebook private group which I personally think is one of the worst things that ever happened on the internet.
Why would people feel the need to hide what they write ? I don't get it.
I'm an admin on a private Facebook group. The reason we changed from public to private was that we started being over-run by spammers and scammers. It's not difficult to join, there are four stupidly simple multiple choice questions which humans will have a 100% chance of getting right whereas bots only have a 25% chance of getting right. This means that all humans get through whereas only 1 in 256 bots get through. I don't recall any questions being asked to join here.... ....oh, sorry, I get it now .............
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 20:51:56 GMT
Having a forum which requires a login to view is too similar to a facebook private group which I personally think is one of the worst things that ever happened on the internet.
Why would people feel the need to hide what they write ? I don't get it.
I'm an admin on a private Facebook group. The reason we changed from public to private was that we started being over-run by spammers and scammers. It's not difficult to join, there are four stupidly simple multiple choice questions which humans will have a 100% chance of getting right whereas bots only have a 25% chance of getting right. This means that all humans get through whereas only 1 in 256 bots get through.
Yes I get that but why are they not viewable by others? Surely if you are just viewing a load of text on a computer of phone screen you can't cause any harm to the forum or group.
Or maybe you can. I must admit I always assumed that being logged out meant that you can not interact with the site.
ETA I understand having barriers to entry but I really don't get the bit about it all being hidden unless you apply to join.
How would you know if you wanted to join in the first place?
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Post by fi on Nov 7, 2022 20:54:48 GMT
I'm an admin on a private Facebook group. The reason we changed from public to private was that we started being over-run by spammers and scammers. It's not difficult to join, there are four stupidly simple multiple choice questions which humans will have a 100% chance of getting right whereas bots only have a 25% chance of getting right. This means that all humans get through whereas only 1 in 256 bots get through.
Yes I get that but why are they not viewable by others? Surely if you are just viewing a load of text on a computer of phone screen you can't cause any harm to the forum or group.
Or maybe you can. I must admit I always assumed that being logged out meant that you can not interact with the site.
But TB asylumers will pull anything they see to shreads. That would be most disagreeable...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 20:56:05 GMT
OK got it. I didn't think of that !
Still its a nonsense way of conducting social intercourse.
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Post by metanoia on Nov 7, 2022 21:02:21 GMT
I'm an admin on a private Facebook group. The reason we changed from public to private was that we started being over-run by spammers and scammers. It's not difficult to join, there are four stupidly simple multiple choice questions which humans will have a 100% chance of getting right whereas bots only have a 25% chance of getting right. This means that all humans get through whereas only 1 in 256 bots get through.
Yes I get that but why are they not viewable by others? Surely if you are just viewing a load of text on a computer of phone screen you can't cause any harm to the forum or group.
Or maybe you can. I must admit I always assumed that being logged out meant that you can not interact with the site.
Sadly, I believe one can cause far more damage than that. It is nothing to do with interacting with the internet site issue - it's about the window it gives the weirdos into the "real" world. I believe that is why many people hide their children's faces in photos and/or the name of their boat, their car registration etc. It is nothing to do with paranoia but the way the world has become. There are an awful lot of sad, bad predators watching. Most of us have the wherewithal and capacity to be aware but all too often the vulnerable or unfortunate slip through the net.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 21:07:05 GMT
What I don't understand is why some internet forums and facebook groups are closed.
As for privacy that is a completely different topic. I make things up a lot so nobody could really track me effectively but what you are suggesting gets really to the point of internet interaction and the dangers associated with it.
The only "safe" group consists of one person. As soon as you bring others into the group you are taking risks.
Did you know that the sad and bad predators are often people you think you trust?
Private groups have far more potential for harm than public groups. Its obvious. Predator paradise.
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Post by metanoia on Nov 7, 2022 21:19:26 GMT
Yes, unfortunately I really DO know.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 7, 2022 21:19:47 GMT
It's not an 'option' if it 'makes' them do it, is it? And, surely, if you have the capability of logging in that makes you a member, does it not? Talk about parallel universes! You said it was an option for guests? I never did!
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 7, 2022 21:23:33 GMT
Not sure you understand - the current settings on the TUB require you to register and be approved by the forum admin to view any of the forum.
That would be you and probably Ross that doesn't understand the conversation being had. Why is it so difficult to understand that proboards give admin certain options. Making guests log in is one. And not something done against proboards wishes. A 'For the simple ones' - if you need to log in you are hardly 'a guest' anymore. If you have a user name + password then you're a member. B
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