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Post by on May 13, 2023 17:26:34 GMT
The timeline of this is interesting. People say 12 yars but I wonder if it is actually 11 yars and bizarrely coincides with the squatting ban legislation.
It seems a similar attitude.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on May 13, 2023 18:15:01 GMT
George Ward was forcibly prevented from getting back onto his boat by Brian Clarke/CBS's bogus Bailiffs "contracted security operatives", . . while the Police looked on, . . and while some of the contents and personal belongings were thrown out of the boat on to the towpath. Where, and from what, do you suppose the lawful authority/enforcement power for anyone to do that came from ? Carrying a crowbar could amount to carrying an offensive weapon but there are always defences such as if your taking it as a tool to use lawfully. Carrying it to gain entry to a boat would be OK. It then gets interesting. If it turns out that their s8 powers in removing a boat does not give them powers of entry then their lawful excuse for carrying a crowbar disappears. However I'm sure that if they believed they had the authority becasue their boss told them they did, I seriously doubt any prosecution would occur. It would all come down to if they have authority to enter the boat or not. However I don't think Wiltshire constabulary care. You need to read this again, . . more carefully this time, . . then you need to think about it until you get somewhere near to understanding it, . . then you need to answer the questions arising from it, . . and included in it. ____________________________________________________________________ In sharp contrast with the first-class job they did on 19 April 2023, . . on Thursday 11 May 2023, Wiltshire Police actively assisted bogus Bailiffs 'contracted security operatives' carrying only crowbars and sledgehammers in place of any form of documentation, paperwork, warrant, writ, certification or authorisation from any Court, to steal a boat named March Hare from a man called George Ward, on the canal at a place known as Bradford-on-Avon. George Ward was forcibly prevented from getting back onto his boat by Brian Clarke/CBS's bogus Bailiffs "contracted security operatives", . . while the Police looked on, . . and while some of the contents and his personal belongings were thrown out of the boat on to the towpath. Where, and from what, or from whom, do you suppose the lawful authority/enforcement power for anyone to do that came from ? Any dispute or so-called legal action between the C&RT(Ltd) and a member of the public, is entirely a CIVIL matter. The Police have no jurisdiction or powers to intervene or assist in CIVIL matters. How do you explain away Police participation, in this particular instance, to the extent that they far from impartially stood by and watched criminal offences being committed by C&RT(Ltd)'s 'contracted security operatives' in a pretence of preventing a breach of the peace, . . in what is unquestionably a CIVIL matter in which the Police role is, without exception, to impartially prevent a breach of the peace ?
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Post by on May 13, 2023 18:38:08 GMT
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Post by metanoia on May 13, 2023 18:49:45 GMT
To be fair thebfg any complaints that Mr Ward has been hard done by just simply don't hold water ... for 12 years he's had the opportunity to move his boat off C&RT waters, or comply with pretty basic requirements. He felt he knew better and they could not take his boat ... and sadly he was encouraged in this view it appears. It is sad on a personal level for Mr Ward but I suspect many Bradford on Avon folks aren't too upset by his boat's removal. Rog Indeed - as I said before, I hope George Ward has a comfortable bed tonight. He is getting on a bit, apparently disabled and now homeless. I wish him well. However, I'm sure he has. He seems a very clever and fortunate man to have strangers give him over £7000 after he lived for free on the towpath for about twelve years but still never managed to use any of that to licence his boat or even move it to the nearest elsan point..... I know several boaters who have lived in far worse situations who've been given dispensation from CRT to travel shorter distances/overstay due to health or other issues and who still have their boats.
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Post by dogless on May 13, 2023 18:58:43 GMT
Getting on a bit ... he's four years younger than me 😤
Rog
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Post by Tony Dunkley on May 13, 2023 18:59:34 GMT
Interesting snippet from the Wiltshire Times live running updates :
"In court orders, the Trust threatened Mr Ward with costs, fines, arrest and possible imprisonment if he resisted or encouraged others to do so."
There you go, . . a glimpse of the corporate megalomania, the arrogance, and the sheer stupidity that leads the arseholes at C&RT(Ltd)'s Legal Fiction & Connivance Services to behave as if Court Orders are simply weapons to wield as Matthew Aymes and Lucy Barry see fit, . . after lying about them and misrepresenting them to the Police, the inland boating public, and people whose boats they're set on stealing.
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Post by on May 13, 2023 19:01:11 GMT
Do one.
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Post by on May 13, 2023 19:05:04 GMT
Getting on a bit ... he's four years younger than me 😤 Rog There was a time when I would have viewed 62 as quite old but as was 49 calendar yars old a couple of weeks ago it seems rather less so. I'm still 11 in my head. I suppose things change over the yars. I won't be getting to 60 on the calendar myself due to other issues but never mind. Ageing is an interesting phenomenon. I'm not a fan.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 13, 2023 19:05:32 GMT
Getting on a bit ... he's four years younger than me 😤 Rog Yes, but you're ancient.
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Post by metanoia on May 13, 2023 19:09:00 GMT
Getting on a bit ... he's four years younger than me 😤 Rog Who'd have thought it if you hadn't told us ? (apologies - I never read the gory details, just saw the photos and made assumptions) ETA - that was in respect of Mr Ward!!
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Post by thebfg on May 13, 2023 19:43:45 GMT
Getting on a bit ... he's four years younger than me 😤 Rog There was a time when I would have viewed 62 as quite old but as was 49 calendar yars old a couple of weeks ago it seems rather less so. I'm still 11 in my head. I suppose things change over the yars. I won't be getting to 60 on the calendar myself due to other issues but never mind. Ageing is an interesting phenomenon. I'm not a fan. Your getting on a bit too😀
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Post by Tony Dunkley on May 14, 2023 5:48:07 GMT
George Ward was forcibly prevented from getting back onto his boat by Brian Clarke/CBS's bogus Bailiffs "contracted security operatives", . . while the Police looked on, . . and while some of the contents and personal belongings were thrown out of the boat on to the towpath. Where, and from what, do you suppose the lawful authority/enforcement power for anyone to do that came from ? Carrying a crowbar could amount to carrying an offensive weapon but there are always defences such as if your taking it as a tool to use lawfully. Carrying it to gain entry to a boat would be OK. It then gets interesting. If it turns out that their s8 powers in removing a boat does not give them powers of entry then their lawful excuse for carrying a crowbar disappears. However I'm sure that if they believed they had the authority becasue their boss told them they did, I seriously doubt any prosecution would occur. It would all come down to if they have authority to enter the boat or not. However I don't think Wiltshire constabulary care. You need to read this again, . . more carefully this time, . . then you need to think about it until you get somewhere near to understanding it, . . then you need to answer the questions arising from it, . . and included in it. ____________________________________________________________________ In sharp contrast with the first-class job they did on 19 April 2023, . . on Thursday 11 May 2023, Wiltshire Police actively assisted bogus Bailiffs 'contracted security operatives' carrying only crowbars and sledgehammers in place of any form of documentation, paperwork, warrant, writ, certification or authorisation from any Court, to steal a boat named March Hare from a man called George Ward, on the canal at a place known as Bradford-on-Avon. George Ward was forcibly prevented from getting back onto his boat by Brian Clarke/CBS's bogus Bailiffs -- now re-invented as "contracted security operatives", . . while the Police looked on, . . and while some of the contents and his personal belongings were thrown out of the boat on to the towpath. Where, and from what, or from whom, do you suppose the lawful authority/enforcement power for anyone to do that came from ? Any dispute or so-called legal action between the C&RT(Ltd) and a member of the public, is entirely a CIVIL matter. The Police have no jurisdiction or powers to intervene or assist in CIVIL matters. How do you explain away Police participation, in this particular instance, to the extent that they far from impartially stood by and watched criminal offences being committed by C&RT(Ltd)'s 'contracted security operatives' in a pretence of preventing a breach of the peace, . . in what is unquestionably a CIVIL matter in which the Police role is, without exception, to impartially prevent a breach of the peace ?
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Post by Murgatroyd on May 14, 2023 6:00:39 GMT
George Ward was forcibly prevented from getting back onto his boat by Brian Clarke/CBS's bogus Bailiffs "contracted security operatives", . . while the Police looked on, . . and while some of the contents and personal belongings were thrown out of the boat on to the towpath. Where, and from what, do you suppose the lawful authority/enforcement power for anyone to do that came from ? If it turns out that their s8 powers in removing a boat does not give them powers of entry then their lawful excuse for carrying a crowbar disappears. Are powers of entry required where the structure in question is not, in legal terms, a home / domicile (such as a boat, which is legally a chattel when not kept on a bona fide residential mooring)?
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Post by patty on May 14, 2023 6:16:54 GMT
Getting on a bit ... he's four years younger than me 😤 Rog There was a time when I would have viewed 62 as quite old but as was 49 calendar yars old a couple of weeks ago it seems rather less so. I'm still 11 in my head. I suppose things change over the yars. I won't be getting to 60 on the calendar myself due to other issues but never mind. Ageing is an interesting phenomenon. I'm not a fan. I'm still a youngster in my head, still scramble up trees and over the Worms Head but I do take more care over the rocks. I know the pills I'm on weaken bones so a fall could be detrimental. However I'll keep going as long as I can. I don't think of 'age' if I can help it.
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Post by on May 14, 2023 6:25:42 GMT
If it turns out that their s8 powers in removing a boat does not give them powers of entry then their lawful excuse for carrying a crowbar disappears. Are powers of entry required where the structure in question is not, in legal terms, a home / domicile (such as a boat, which is legally a chattel when not kept on a bona fide residential mooring)? This is an interesting question. The NBTA are always going on about 'boats are homes' for obvious reasons but is it actually the case? I think you might be correct that a boat is simply a chattel. Unlike all the vacuous garbage from another poster your comment actually is relevant and interesting.
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