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Post by Tony Dunkley on May 13, 2023 8:02:34 GMT
So, CRT acted on its authority to remove an unlawfully moored vessel as described in s.8 and the police kept the peace...well ok then. What authority ? George Ward was forcibly prevented from getting back onto his boat by Brian Clarke/CBS's bogus Bailiffs "contracted security operatives", . . while the Police looked on, . . and while some of the contents and his personal belongings were thrown out of the boat on to the towpath. Where, and from what, or from whom, do you suppose the lawful authority/enforcement power for anyone to do that came from ? Any dispute or so-called legal action between the C&RT(Ltd) and a member of the public, is entirely a CIVIL matter. The Police have no jurisdiction or powers to intervene or assist in CIVIL matters. How do you explain Police participation in what is unquestionably a CIVIL matter ?
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Post by Murgatroyd on May 13, 2023 8:07:55 GMT
As had been said, many times, many ways...ain't no point arguing with us because we all think you're an asshole. Try making an official complaint. Somewhere else.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on May 13, 2023 8:58:50 GMT
So, CRT acted on its authority to remove an unlawfully moored vessel as described in s.8 and the police kept the peace...well ok then. What authority ? George Ward was forcibly prevented from getting back onto his boat by Brian Clarke/CBS's bogus Bailiffs "contracted security operatives", . . while the Police looked on, . . and while some of the contents and his personal belongings were thrown out of the boat on to the towpath. Where, and from what, or from whom, do you suppose the lawful authority/enforcement power for anyone to do that came from ? Any dispute or so-called legal action between the C&RT(Ltd) and a member of the public, is entirely a CIVIL matter. The Police have no jurisdiction or powers to intervene or assist in CIVIL matters. How do you explain Police participation in what is unquestionably a CIVIL matter ?
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Post by Murgatroyd on May 13, 2023 9:25:14 GMT
As had been said, many times, many ways...ain't no point arguing with us because we all think you're an asshole. Try making an official complaint. Somewhere else.
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Post by on May 13, 2023 9:29:22 GMT
It is quite interesting in a way if no account was taken, when formulating the various Acts, of the fact that sometimes the boat owner might not actually want his boat taken away.
One could idly ask questions about this.
Elfin safety risk assessments would definitely rule out removal of boats with occupant on board.
It is a curious area of law.
For once Tony might actually be making a reasonably interesting point.
It is pointless getting into it because the boat is now gone.
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Post by Murgatroyd on May 13, 2023 9:36:25 GMT
Some year or yars ago I happened to show up at a car wash just as a chap with two coppers in tow also arrived. It turned out the aforementioned chap had a grievance about some lost keys; at some point in the past he had left his car there to be valeted, and the keys went missing. The proprietor denied all responsibility, and the case was brought to court with a ruling in the car owner's favour. The car wash guy still refused to play ball, so he returned with said coppers to ensure he did.
court order - refusal to comply - police involvement to ensure course of justice met. Simples.
I didn't get my car washed that day though so that was disappointing.
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Post by Jim on May 13, 2023 11:48:27 GMT
Quite a lot of my followers have messaged me to say they would join in on the forum if we could get of the idiotic troll from Nuttinghamshire. Sadly I have mentioned we arrr finding him very hard to shake off. Never mind. It is impressive how many people do follow but never post. My email is always full. I even get valentines messages ! I didn't realise you were as much of a cult as Dunkers.
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Post by on May 13, 2023 12:03:08 GMT
Even more so.
Some of my followers admit they also follow him but they don't tell him they follow me.
I asked them not to.
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Post by dogless on May 13, 2023 12:05:16 GMT
Quite a lot of my followers have messaged me to say they would join in on the forum if we could get of the idiotic troll from Nuttinghamshire. Sadly I have mentioned we arrr finding him very hard to shake off. Never mind. It is impressive how many people do follow but never post. My email is always full. I even get valentines messages ! I didn't realise you were as much of a cult as Dunkers. Should you spell check before posting ? Oh no, sorry ... my mistake 😁 Rog
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Post by on May 13, 2023 12:13:03 GMT
I missed that. Well spotted !
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Post by Jim on May 13, 2023 13:07:12 GMT
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Post by Tony Dunkley on May 13, 2023 13:22:19 GMT
C&RT seized and removed an empty boat (Mr Ward lighting a towpath fire at the time) ... no one required removing. Rog You're talking mealy-mouthed nonsense and trying to sidestep the real issue, . . the value you put on fact, truth or common decency is very apparent, and does you no credit whatsoever. In sharp contrast with the first-class job they did on 19 April 2023, . . on Thursday 11 May 2023, Wiltshire Police actively assisted bogus Bailiffs 'contracted security operatives' carrying only crowbars and sledgehammers in place of any form of documentation, paperwork, warrant, writ, certification or authorisation from any Court, to steal a boat named March Hare from a man called George Ward, on the canal at a place known as Bradford-on-Avon. George Ward was forcibly prevented from getting back onto his boat by Brian Clarke/CBS's bogus Bailiffs "contracted security operatives", . . while the Police looked on, . . and while some of the contents and his personal belongings were thrown out of the boat on to the towpath. Where, and from what, or from whom, do you suppose the lawful authority/enforcement power for anyone to do that came from ? Any dispute or so-called legal action between the C&RT(Ltd) and a member of the public, is entirely a CIVIL matter. The Police have no jurisdiction or powers to intervene or assist in CIVIL matters. How do you explain away Police participation, in this particular instance, to the extent that they far from impartially stood by and watched criminal offences being committed by C&RT(Ltd)'s 'contracted security operatives' in a pretence of preventing a breach of the peace, . . in what is unquestionably a CIVIL matter in which the Police role is, without exception, to impartially prevent a breach of the peace ?
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Post by on May 13, 2023 13:50:33 GMT
Spring is here, spring is here
Life is skittles, life is beer
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Post by thebfg on May 13, 2023 15:36:17 GMT
No one was removed forcibly or otherwise ... one of them may have carried a bus pass but I guess he wasn't trying to catch a number 23 ! Rog George Ward was forcibly prevented from getting back onto his boat by Brian Clarke/CBS's bogus Bailiffs "contracted security operatives", . . while the Police looked on, . . and while some of the contents and personal belongings were thrown out of the boat on to the towpath. Where, and from what, do you suppose the lawful authority/enforcement power for anyone to do that came from ? Carrying a crowbar could amount to carrying an offensive weapon but there are always defences such as if your taking it as a tool to use lawfully. Carrying it to gain entry to a boat would be OK. It then gets interesting. If it turns out that their s8 powers in removing a boat does not give them powers of entry then their lawful excuse for carrying a crowbar disappears. However I'm sure that if they believed they had the authority becasue their boss told them they did, I seriously doubt any prosecution would occur. It would all come down to if they have authority to enter the boat or not. However I don't think Wiltshire constabulary care.
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Post by dogless on May 13, 2023 17:20:59 GMT
To be fair thebfg any complaints that Mr Ward has been hard done by just simply don't hold water ... for 12 years he's had the opportunity to move his boat off C&RT waters, or comply with pretty basic requirements. He felt he knew better and they could not take his boat ... and sadly he was encouraged in this view it appears. It is sad on a personal level for Mr Ward but I suspect many Bradford on Avon folks aren't too upset by his boat's removal. Rog
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