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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 3, 2023 10:37:35 GMT
Some more information about this serious accident has been posted on CWDF this morning : www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/118563-awful-incident-a-autherley-junction-today/page/5/Whether or not the victim did die later in hospital, . . one of the people who got him out says he thought the victim was conscious and talking as he was taken away by ambulance, . . he did initially survive the incident itself thanks to the prompt actions of three people off another nearby boat. It is clear from what's been posted on CWDF this morning, by one of the three people who actually disentangled the victim, caught by one arm and his clothing, from under the boat's counter, that he was knocked overboard by the tiller whilst running in astern gear. Having been witness to so many occasions when, by sheer dumb luck alone, a similar accident didn't happen, . . I think this incident should be used as an opportunity to educate pleasure boaters about the catalogue of dangers that so many of them appear to be blissfully unaware of, . . but to which they habitually, routinely, and happily, expose themselves and their crews.
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Post by kris on Jun 3, 2023 10:42:11 GMT
You seem to be having a conversation with yourself again.
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Post by on Jun 3, 2023 10:44:07 GMT
18.9!
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Post by on Jun 3, 2023 10:44:55 GMT
One way to avoid these accidents is to not have a boat or ever go on a boat. Clever !
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 3, 2023 10:45:16 GMT
Let's have a post about the dangers of not getting a boat license and safety certificate.
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Post by on Jun 3, 2023 10:48:22 GMT
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 3, 2023 12:11:13 GMT
Some more information about this serious accident has been posted on CWDF this morning : www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/118563-awful-incident-a-autherley-junction-today/page/5/Whether or not the victim did die later in hospital, . . one of the people who got him out says he thought the victim was conscious and talking as he was taken away by ambulance, . . he did initially survive the incident itself thanks to the prompt actions of three people off another nearby boat. It is clear from what's been posted on CWDF this morning, by one of the three people who actually disentangled the victim, caught by one arm and his clothing, from under the boat's counter, that he was knocked overboard by the tiller whilst running in astern gear. Having been witness to so many occasions when, by sheer dumb luck alone, a similar accident didn't happen, . . I think this incident should be used as an opportunity to educate pleasure boaters about the catalogue of dangers that so many of them appear to be blissfully unaware of, . . but to which they habitually, routinely, and happily, expose themselves and their crews. I have to agree with you, you do see a lot of boats set up with eg seating in the arc of the tiller. And you don’t have to be astern for it to happen, we were going ahead just below one of the Ryders Green locks where there is an Asda and a footbridge, it is shopping trolley central. Front of rudder caught a shopping trolley and went hard over, obviously I was not within the arc (trad stern) but I certainly couldn’t restrain the tiller.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 3, 2023 13:01:54 GMT
In fairness to Dunks, it was an awful incident and horrific to consider what may have been in his mind as it unfolded. Pretty horrific for his poor wife and his rescuers too. I understand the guy was experienced and on his own boat, but it's all too easy to be distracted or momentarily unfocused ... and in reverse is generally when this kind of stuff happens. Let's be careful 👍 Rog The incident/accident had nothing whatsoever to do with anyone being "distracted or momentarily unfocused", . . it had EVERTHING to do with repeating, once too often, a dangerous practice that he'd probably got away with God only knows how many times previously. More often than not, people do get away with running in astern gear and standing within the radius that the tiller end can swing through, . . but that's down to the oversize rudder balances on most modern canal boats, . . not because they haven't been "distracted", or "momentarily unfocused". Trotting out vapid tripe about being "distracted or momentarily unfocused" in place of speaking frankly and openly about the root cause of a very serious occurence that led to a death, won't help to get the vital message across to whoever's going to be next to be dragged into a prop running astern, . . will it ? Internet boating forums are just the place where such a message, and much else directly related to serious safety matters, can be conveyed to those who need it most, . . and there's certainly no shortage of them !
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Post by on Jun 3, 2023 13:04:13 GMT
Shopping trolleys are a real nuisance.
What I do is take the trolley back, recover the pound coin then throw the coin in the canal in a rebellious manner.
That'll show 'em.
More people should be like me..
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Post by on Jun 3, 2023 13:15:48 GMT
As there was apparently a fatality one may assume that the MAIB, which consists of people who actually do know what they are talking about. will do a full investigation and a report will be published.
They will probably include things like tox tests.
Assuming it was something the boater routinely did is just an assumption. Similarly assuming he was intoxicated would be an assumption.
Speculation can be interesting but nobody here actually knows why this happened. A full investigation and reconstruction. if the professionals do it, will be useful.
Vapid tripe from internet forum posters isn't.
There's certainly no shortage of them!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 3, 2023 13:38:15 GMT
As there was apparently a fatality one may assume that the MAIB, which consists of people who actually do know what they are talking about. will do a full investigation and a report will be published. There seems to be some question about whether it was a fatality or not. He is being reported as conscious and talking when he was taken to hospital. Do you have any more info?
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Post by on Jun 3, 2023 13:49:23 GMT
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Post by on Jun 3, 2023 13:50:33 GMT
A post on canalworld from someone who was nearby when it happened
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 3, 2023 15:51:46 GMT
I refuse to 'judge' the deceased's actions leading upto the incident as I am unaware of any details ... which is the truth for everyone else at this point. I merely mention that the tragedy is a timely reminder for us all to stay focussed in an effort to avoid accidents. Rog You're "unaware of any details" only because you choose to be, . . out of blinkered sheer stupidity. Had you got someone with a rather better grasp of plain written English than you have, to read you the post on the CWDF thread put up by a Lloyd Chandler - one of the three people who actually got the victim, still alive at that time, out from under the counter of his boat - you would be aware that this man stated on CWDF that - quote " . . my understanding of the cause was that the rudder either grounded or hit the bank whilst reversing and the tiller swung and knocked him off. He was then dragged under the stern as the boat reversed and I believe his left arm became entangled in the propeller."You're not being asked to "judge" the dead man's actions, . . you're being told that what happened to him WAS NOT the result of being "distracted" or "momentarily unfocused", . . but WAS the result of being knocked off the counter of his boat by the tiller end as it swung quickly and unexpectedly round to one side with the prop turning in astern gear. There's only one way that could happen -- he had to be standing somewhere within the radius that the tiller end swings through across the boat's counter, . . didn't he, . . you thick sanctimonious mealy-mouthed arsehole. __________________________________________________________________ *When you, Alice, and the other half-dozen or so full-time forum disrupting/wrecking prats have finished dumping your mindless claptrap on this thread, I'll make another attempt to address this serious subject in the manner it deserves.
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Post by kris on Jun 3, 2023 16:01:00 GMT
Tony shut the fuck up.
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