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Post by kris on Sept 20, 2023 18:39:52 GMT
Martin wouldn’t know about that not living on the towpath.
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Post by metanoia on Sept 20, 2023 18:40:03 GMT
As a genuine CCer I do agree it's unfair that those who pay to keep their boat in a marina should pay the same as me to use the waterways 365 days of the year. However, being brutal, I suppose that is their choice. Hence there not being any difference (until now) in a "leisure" licence however you choose to use it. But the thing is, those like us who keep our boat in a marina don’t pay CRT the same as you. We pay a lot more. The same licence fee and then the 10% mooring fee to CRT. Our mooring is around £2500 so of that £250 goes to CRT. So as a rough estimate and assuming same boat lengths, we pay about 25% to CRT more than you do, despite using less rubbish disposal, water, and we never use elsan disposal. Having been out this week there do seem to be a lot of boats out (moored unoccupied on the towpath) and our marina occupancy, which always used to be 100%, is way down. I suspect more people giving up on marinas and moving to CC, even though they don’t live aboard (the so called “dumpers”). Maybe CRT are realising this and in order to keep the same income stream, see the need to directly charge CCers more. It doesn’t seem unfair to me. You obviously never bothered to read my post.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 20, 2023 18:42:21 GMT
But the thing is, those like us who keep our boat in a marina don’t pay CRT the same as you. We pay a lot more. The same licence fee and then the 10% mooring fee to CRT. Our mooring is around £2500 so of that £250 goes to CRT. So as a rough estimate and assuming same boat lengths, we pay about 25% to CRT more than you do, despite using less rubbish disposal, water, and we never use elsan disposal. Having been out this week there do seem to be a lot of boats out (moored unoccupied on the towpath) and our marina occupancy, which always used to be 100%, is way down. I suspect more people giving up on marinas and moving to CC, even though they don’t live aboard (the so called “dumpers”). Maybe CRT are realising this and in order to keep the same income stream, see the need to directly charge CCers more. It doesn’t seem unfair to me. You obviously never bothered to read my post. I did read your post. It’s a shame you didn’t bother to read mine before sniping. Although it was entirely predictable of course..
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Post by metanoia on Sept 20, 2023 18:45:19 GMT
But the thing is, those like us who keep our boat in a marina don’t pay CRT the same as you. We pay a lot more. The same licence fee and then the 10% mooring fee to CRT. Our mooring is around £2500 so of that £250 goes to CRT. So as a rough estimate and assuming same boat lengths, we pay about 25% to CRT more than you do, despite using less rubbish disposal, water, and we never use elsan disposal. Having been out this week there do seem to be a lot of boats out (moored unoccupied on the towpath) and our marina occupancy, which always used to be 100%, is way down. I suspect more people giving up on marinas and moving to CC, even though they don’t live aboard (the so called “dumpers”). Maybe CRT are realising this and in order to keep the same income stream, see the need to directly charge CCers more. It doesn’t seem unfair to me. You obviously never bothered to read my post. Or you just chose to misinterpret it. I have only ever only said it seems unfair to marina dwellers/subscribers. I cannot agree more about the "dumpers". There are currently three taking up the whole of a popular visitor mooring which I passed about 3 weeks ago and who are still there on my way back. Some poor hire boat has had to pin and set a precarious board out in order to visit the local attractions
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Post by metanoia on Sept 20, 2023 18:46:54 GMT
You obviously never bothered to read my post. I did read your post. It’s a shame you didn’t bother to read mine before sniping. Although it was entirely predictable of course.. Entirely predictable, of course. Sniping? Give it a rest. I expect you'll be calling me a homophobe now, too ... We're talking about the future of boating, not your biases.
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Post by fi on Sept 20, 2023 18:50:54 GMT
I did read your post. It’s a shame you didn’t bother to read mine before sniping. Although it was entirely predictable of course.. Predictable, of course. I expect you'll be calling me a homophobe now, too ... When it comes to Nick, you do seem to like getting the snipe in early. That is the way it comes across to me, both on here and on thr TuB.
Just saying...
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Post by kris on Sept 20, 2023 18:50:55 GMT
I did read your post. It’s a shame you didn’t bother to read mine before sniping. Although it was entirely predictable of course.. Entirely predictable, of course. I expect you'll be calling me a homophobe now, too ... Give it a rest. We're talking about the future of boating, not your biases. Nick has difficulty realising it’s not all about him.
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Post by kris on Sept 20, 2023 18:53:11 GMT
Predictable, of course. I expect you'll be calling me a homophobe now, too ... When it comes to Nick, you do seem to like getting the snipe in early. That is the way it comes across to me, both on here and on thr TuB.
Just saying...
Oh the tub still exists then?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 18:53:26 GMT
As a genuine CCer I do agree it's unfair that those who pay to keep their boat in a marina should pay the same as me to use the waterways 365 days of the year. However, being brutal, I suppose that is their choice. Hence there not being any difference (until now) in a "leisure" licence however you choose to use it. But the thing is, those like us who keep our boat in a marina don’t pay CRT the same as you. We pay a lot more. The same licence fee and then the 10% mooring fee to CRT. Our mooring is around £2500 so of that £250 goes to CRT. So as a rough estimate and assuming same boat lengths, we pay about 25% to CRT more than you do, despite using less rubbish disposal, water, and we never use elsan disposal. Having been out this week there do seem to be a lot of boats out (moored unoccupied on the towpath) and our marina occupancy, which always used to be 100%, is way down. I suspect more people giving up on marinas and moving to CC, even though they don’t live aboard (the so called “dumpers”). Maybe CRT are realising this and in order to keep the same income stream, see the need to directly charge CCers more. It doesn’t seem unfair to me. You chose to not live on your boat, you chose to leave it in a marina for security when you are not on it. Your reasoning on this is pretty feeble, along with the other muppets that spout the same shit. You're paying for security, and others should not have to subsidise you.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 20, 2023 18:54:24 GMT
Entirely predictable, of course. I expect you'll be calling me a homophobe now, too ... Give it a rest. We're talking about the future of boating, not your biases. Nick has difficulty realising it’s not all about him. You are so wrong.
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Post by fi on Sept 20, 2023 18:55:27 GMT
When it comes to Nick, you do seem to like getting the snipe in early. That is the way it comes across to me, both on here and on thr TuB.
Just saying...
Oh the tub still exists then? Just, even Patty described it as being like the Marie Celeste...
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 20, 2023 18:55:33 GMT
But the thing is, those like us who keep our boat in a marina don’t pay CRT the same as you. We pay a lot more. The same licence fee and then the 10% mooring fee to CRT. Our mooring is around £2500 so of that £250 goes to CRT. So as a rough estimate and assuming same boat lengths, we pay about 25% to CRT more than you do, despite using less rubbish disposal, water, and we never use elsan disposal. Having been out this week there do seem to be a lot of boats out (moored unoccupied on the towpath) and our marina occupancy, which always used to be 100%, is way down. I suspect more people giving up on marinas and moving to CC, even though they don’t live aboard (the so called “dumpers”). Maybe CRT are realising this and in order to keep the same income stream, see the need to directly charge CCers more. It doesn’t seem unfair to me. You chose to not live on your boat, you chose to leave it in a marina for security when you are not on it. Your reasoning on this is pretty feeble, along with the other muppets that spout the same shit. You're paying for security, and others should not have to subsidise you. Nobody should have to subsidise me, equally I should not have to subsidise CCers by paying 25% more to CRT to use the system less. But that is currently what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 18:58:59 GMT
You chose to not live on your boat, you chose to leave it in a marina for security when you are not on it. Your reasoning on this is pretty feeble, along with the other muppets that spout the same shit. You're paying for security, and others should not have to subsidise you. Nobody should have to subsidise me, equally I should not have to subsidise CCers by paying 25% more to CRT to use the system less. But that is currently what happens. You're paying for security, don't try to deny it. Your choice, so you pay it, and shuttup whining about it.
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Post by metanoia on Sept 20, 2023 18:59:17 GMT
Oh the tub still exists then? Just, even Patty described it as being like the Marie Celeste... That's exactly why it should never have been an open forum so that people like you misquote decent people .........
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 20, 2023 19:00:02 GMT
You obviously never bothered to read my post. Or you just chose to misinterpret it. I have only ever only said it seems unfair to marina dwellers/subscribers. I cannot agree more about the "dumpers". There are currently three taking up the whole of a popular visitor mooring which I passed about 3 weeks ago and who are still there on my way back. Some poor hire boat has had to pin and set a precarious board out in order to visit the local attractions I did not misinterpret anything in that post, by choice or otherwise. You said it seems unfair to marina dwellers. I agree. You said marina dwellers had to pay the same as CCers despite using the assets less. I disagree because that is factually incorrect in most cases, because marina dwellers don’t pay the same, they pay significantly more. 25% more in our case as I explained.
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