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Post by kris on Nov 1, 2023 9:20:04 GMT
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 1, 2023 9:47:18 GMT
I’m surprised that only 20% of boats are CC, would have thought it more than that. But then again I suppose marinas are rammed full of boats that rarely or never leave.
The latest NABO news says that they have taken legal advice and that there is no legal mechanism for having a different scale of charges for CC or non CC, so I suspect there may be legal challenges ahead.
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Post by Jim on Nov 1, 2023 11:52:36 GMT
So why don't ccers wish to pay their way, why am I surcharged with an extra payment to CRT just because I have a home mooring in the middle of nowhere that CRT does absolutely nothing to earn. Boat is only on it for 3 or 4 months a year. The woman concerned is living cheaper than someone in a house, getting the same pension, she may be eligible for housing benefit etc. Her £250 extra will just about be arriving in her bank, her partner (I think she says "we" in the article, will be getting the same. That will pay for coal for the winter.
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Post by kris on Nov 1, 2023 12:14:10 GMT
So why don't ccers wish to pay their way, why am I surcharged with an extra payment to CRT just because I have a home mooring in the middle of nowhere that CRT does absolutely nothing to earn. Boat is only on it for 3 or 4 months a year. The woman concerned is living cheaper than someone in a house, getting the same pension, she may be eligible for housing benefit etc. Her £250 extra will just about be arriving in her bank, her partner (I think she says "we" in the article, will be getting the same. That will pay for coal for the winter. You sound bitter? Your choice to have a home mooring. You could quite easily become a continuous dumper. Oh no you might have to pay a surcharge then. But your a slum lord you can afford it. Ps There are at least two legal challenges to the surcharge for cc’ers. Unfortunately the widebeam tax will go through it seems. |
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Post by Jim on Nov 1, 2023 12:39:13 GMT
So why don't ccers wish to pay their way, why am I surcharged with an extra payment to CRT just because I have a home mooring in the middle of nowhere that CRT does absolutely nothing to earn. Boat is only on it for 3 or 4 months a year. The woman concerned is living cheaper than someone in a house, getting the same pension, she may be eligible for housing benefit etc. Her £250 extra will just about be arriving in her bank, her partner (I think she says "we" in the article, will be getting the same. That will pay for coal for the winter. You sound bitter? Your choice to have a home mooring. You could quite easily become a continuous dumper. Oh no you might have to pay a surcharge then. But your a slum lord you can afford it. Ps There are at least two legal challenges to the surcharge for cc’ers. Unfortunately the widebeam tax will go through it seems. Struggling to be arsey today! Not bitter at all, just maybe getting depressed reading your posts. Having a home mooring is the choice of the vast majority of boaters, why do the remaining few expect moorers to subsidise them. Why are they causing division amongst boaters? You present a somewhat daft and arithmetically wrong reasoning btw. If I was to become a cmer and give up my mooring I would currently pay less, not a surcharge. |
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Post by kris on Nov 1, 2023 12:41:14 GMT
Explain how they are subsiding cc’ers.
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Post by Jim on Nov 1, 2023 12:43:31 GMT
Explain how they are subsiding cc’ers. Back to skule for you. We contribute more to CRT overall and many don't impose the same wear and tear on the system. So ccers aren't contributing as much overall are they. Tightwads! |
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Post by kris on Nov 1, 2023 12:48:11 GMT
Explain how they are subsiding cc’ers. Back to skule for you. We contribute more to CRT overall and many don't impose the same wear and tear on the system. So ccers aren't contributing as much overall are they. Tightwads! Jim that doesn’t explain anything. As you say your only on your mooring 2-3 a year, surely your using the facilities as much as a cc’er? So come on Jim try and think clearly rather than just regurgitate crts propaganda. I know it’s difficult when you get to your age, but do try. |
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Post by Jim on Nov 1, 2023 12:59:10 GMT
Back to skule for you. We contribute more to CRT overall and many don't impose the same wear and tear on the system. So ccers aren't contributing as much overall are they. Tightwads! Jim that doesn’t explain anything. As you say your only on your mooring 2-3 a year, surely your using the facilities as much as a cc’er? So come on Jim try and think clearly rather than just regurgitate crts propaganda. I know it’s difficult when you get to your age, but do try. I am using the facilities yes, but I pay a higher total contribution to CRT than a ccer with a boat the same size, that's a fact, not propaganda. You are promoting divisive propaganda to get out of paying your fair share. Can we not stick to facts, not emotional drool. Why do you think some shouldn't pay their fair share? |
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Post by kris on Nov 1, 2023 13:25:39 GMT
Jim that doesn’t explain anything. As you say your only on your mooring 2-3 a year, surely your using the facilities as much as a cc’er? So come on Jim try and think clearly rather than just regurgitate crts propaganda. I know it’s difficult when you get to your age, but do try. I am using the facilities yes, but I pay a higher total contribution to CRT than a ccer with a boat the same size, that's a fact, not propaganda. You are promoting divisive propaganda to get out of paying your fair share. Can we not stick to facts, not emotional drool. Why do you think some shouldn't pay their fair share? You pay a higher amount for extra services the use of a mooring. If you choose not to use it that’s your choice. So you use the facilities as much as a cc’er. So explain to me how your subsidising anyone ? Again jim it’s your choice to have a mooring. Ps Jim I have a home mooring. So how am I not paying my fair share? |
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Post by dogless on Nov 1, 2023 14:05:18 GMT
Surely when you pay for a mooring the money goes to the mooring owner (marina, landowner or even C&RT if they're the owners).
The money isn't going directly into the same pot as licensing and general maintenance so having a mooring or not doesn't increase anyone's contribution to maintaining facilities does it ?
If we all pay a licence fee ... even if substantially increased ... what we do with our boat thereafter is surely personal choice.
Whether that be using it as a holiday cottage, for weekend breaks or weeks away, or longer cruising.
Some haven't the free time so need a mooring for part of the year.
Some need to have a mooring all year and just occasionally cruise or indeed never cruise.
This is personal choice and no one's contributing more or less than anyone else.
Of course you can make a payment to C&RT by way of donation on a monthly basis, or arrange for a bequest in your will ... that's certainly extra.
Rog
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Post by Jim on Nov 1, 2023 14:31:59 GMT
I am using the facilities yes, but I pay a higher total contribution to CRT than a ccer with a boat the same size, that's a fact, not propaganda. You are promoting divisive propaganda to get out of paying your fair share. Can we not stick to facts, not emotional drool. Why do you think some shouldn't pay their fair share? You pay a higher amount for extra services the use of a mooring. If you choose not to use it that’s your choice. So you use the facilities as much as a cc’er. So explain to me how your subsidising anyone ? Again jim it’s your choice to have a mooring. Ps Jim I have a home mooring. So how am I not paying my fair share? There are no services whatsoever on my mooring, where did you get that idea. Fair enough if you are paying your share, are you happy to contribute to the feckless ccers who arent? I do use the services as much, almost, as a ccer, why should they pay less? |
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Post by dogless on Nov 1, 2023 14:36:51 GMT
They don't pay less Jim ... they pay the same as you. But you choose to pay extra for a mooring, same as kris and for three months at least, so do I. Rog |
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Post by Jim on Nov 1, 2023 14:37:13 GMT
Surely when you pay for a mooring the money goes to the mooring owner (marina, landowner or even C&RT if they're the owners). The money isn't going directly into the same pot as licensing and general maintenance so having a mooring or not doesn't increase anyone's contribution to maintaining facilities does it ? If we all pay a licence fee ... even if substantially increased ... what we do with our boat thereafter is surely personal choice. Whether that be using it as a holiday cottage, for weekend breaks or weeks away, or longer cruising. Some haven't the free time so need a mooring for part of the year. Some need to have a mooring all year and just occasionally cruise or indeed never cruise. This is personal choice and no one's contributing more or less than anyone else. Of course you can make a payment to C&RT by way of donation on a monthly basis, or arrange for a bequest in your will ... that's certainly extra. Rog While some does go to a landowner, the EOG fee, in my case, goes to CRT. Same for Marinas with an NAA with CRT, a portion goes to CRT. Why do you think that goes into a separate pot at CRT, I doubt it does. There is no disputing the fact that I contribute more to CRT, willingly, than a ccer. |
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Post by dogless on Nov 1, 2023 14:39:25 GMT
But you get more Jim ... a mooring. Rog |
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