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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 22:33:09 GMT
I'm guessing you are thinking of the Mercedes-AMG GLC S E? A hybrid, very fast yes but Β£108k. No thanks. Looks quite small inside too. Nope, not got the hybrid. Estate, and the boot space is more than the skoda. I looked at the skoda, it was actully smaller than the passat, which I also looked at. The only problem with the merc is the fastback style roof and shit reversing lights.
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Post by β on Dec 8, 2023 10:11:25 GMT
It is interesting in these days of government cuts to spending that navigation authorities are looking at cost cutting measures.
Its not just the CRT doing it. The EA has announced removal of a very well used bin store. I personally think it may be the first of many as there is no statutory duty to provide these (or Elsan disposal points).
As we all know they are usually accessible either completely open or with an openly available BW 'watermate' key. So anyone can use them and do. Motorhome users, random people who have dodgy waste to get rid of and of course scurrilous guttersnipes.
So. What is the answer?
What about securing these services properly by using something like a very difficult to copy ASSA lock ?
Add Β£50 to licence fee which includes you being sent an ASSA key. Refundable deposit if you send it back to the CRT.
Anyone licensing a boat for first time pays the Β£50 and gets the key. Thereafter the licence is the normal price. This is a key deposit.
30,000 users Β£50 each Β£1.5 million. Would this be enough to fit proper security to all the Elsans and bins?
Would people pay or find alternatives?
Even locking down the lid would be enough security.
Yes people might leave them open but it would be a better option than having nothing which is where this is going.
If people want to fly tip or chuck shit in the canal that is up to them but both of these things are criminal offences and most people would probably nt particularly want to break the law. Some will but in general as a rule people don't want to do that.
Bins and shit cost money. Perhaps it should be paid for.
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Post by β on Dec 8, 2023 10:12:40 GMT
I suppose in reality people would steal the locks.
Probably best to just remove the services.
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Post by kris on Dec 8, 2023 10:37:52 GMT
I suppose in reality people would steal the locks. Probably best to just remove the services. Oh yes another βIβm alright jack.β I donβt give a fuck about anyone else. As usual a thread about the perilous state of the waterways is hijacked by egotistical dickheads having a Willy waving competition over who I car theyβve got. Oh well it is thunderboat, what did I expect?
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Post by β on Dec 8, 2023 11:50:50 GMT
Not at all. I'm referring to the reality facing waterways. Shit disposal is not a fundamental requirement for a functioning waterway. For a start if you are not squeamish you can easily burn it. I suspect that the only group who are being negatively impacted is probably those who are choosing not to move around much, don't have a mooring, and are primarly on a boat because it is such a cheap way of living. Arrr people who use boats for boating complaining about this problem? Have you been down here and seen the disgusting state some arseholes leave the Elsan points in? I mean have you actually -seen- this? It is not pleasant. The CRT don't have endless funds to deal with this sort of thing. What is your solution to this?
People who think that the problem of fucked elsans is due to bad management by the navigation authority are idiots. That is much too simple. The fucked elsans are due to the people who use them. Nobody ever needs to block an elsan point. Any normal human can avoid this but there are endless idiots. And they have the gall to moan that its the management's fault!
Too simplistic.
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Post by dogless on Dec 8, 2023 17:03:35 GMT
Have to agree Mr X β ... I suspect the primary problem on London Waterways is the number of boats shuffling around on towpath moorings ... over subscription these days to available services. Rog
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Post by Andyberg on Dec 8, 2023 17:04:13 GMT
Not at all. I'm referring to the reality facing waterways. Shit disposal is not a fundamental requirement for a functioning waterway. I suspect that the only group who are being negatively impacted is probably those who are choosing not to move around much, don't have a mooring, and are primarily on a boat because it is such a cheap way of living. Where does the notion that CRT are responsible for provided Elsaβs / rubbish disposal / shower facilities come from? Are they actually responsible for providing these services or is the license fee purely for access to use the network?π
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Post by kris on Dec 8, 2023 17:08:23 GMT
It seems some of boaters would cut their noses off to spite their faces. They would rather elsans get dumped in the cut along with plastic and general waste. Rather than crt carry doing something theyβve done since their inception and bw along time before them. It seems the hatred of some boaters to another sub section of boaters knows no bounds.
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Post by Jim on Dec 8, 2023 17:19:43 GMT
It seems some of boaters would cut their noses off to spite their faces. They would rather elsans get dumped in the cut along with plastic and general waste. Rather than crt carry doing something theyβve done since their inception and bw along time before them. It seems the hatred of some boaters to another sub section of boaters knows no bounds. I agree, it's about time these protesting ccers calmed down a bit.
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Post by kris on Dec 8, 2023 17:33:17 GMT
Itβs all the poor pensioners who seem to be doing the most moaning.
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Post by β on Dec 8, 2023 18:24:31 GMT
Not at all. I'm referring to the reality facing waterways. Shit disposal is not a fundamental requirement for a functioning waterway. I suspect that the only group who are being negatively impacted is probably those who are choosing not to move around much, don't have a mooring, and are primarily on a boat because it is such a cheap way of living. Where does the notion that CRT are responsible for provided Elsaβs / rubbish disposal / shower facilities come from? Are they actually responsible for providing these services or is the license fee purely for access to use the network?π I am pretty sure there is no requirement for the navigation authority to provide these services.
It would need checking.
It is a service which costs money. Nobody can really claim that this is included in the licence fee when you consider what you actually get with the licence fee in terms of being able to go boating on a geographically diverse collection of waterways.
It is a very cheap licence.
No council tax or water rates will help here.
If people choose to dispose of rubbish or their own shit on land or water not owned by them (the canals) then that is their lookout. It is an offence to do either of these things. Most people don't go out to break the law.
Withdrawing rubbish and shit disposal services and possibly also water provision could spawn a whole new business where someone comes along in a really nice old unconverted workboat and pumps your shit, takes your rubbish and fills your water tank.
Then they take it somewhere in a transit pickup with dual towbars and dump it in the bushes or an unsecured sewer somewhere.
for a tenner a week who would moan.
Its still nowhere close to paying the C***cil tax !
Bargain all the way from the bank to the bank.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 18:32:48 GMT
Not at all. I'm referring to the reality facing waterways. Shit disposal is not a fundamental requirement for a functioning waterway. I suspect that the only group who are being negatively impacted is probably those who are choosing not to move around much, don't have a mooring, and are primarily on a boat because it is such a cheap way of living. Where does the notion that CRT are responsible for provided Elsaβs / rubbish disposal / shower facilities come from? Are they actually responsible for providing these services or is the license fee purely for access to use the network?π They are not required under contract or any legislation to provide the facilities. Morally, well it could be argued that they have that obligation given the waterways has had the services provided for decades. Personally, I believe that the services need to continue, with CRT obliged under common sense to do so. Given the circumstances, I believe CRT should stop fucking about with something that is a part of their core business.
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Post by kris on Dec 8, 2023 18:35:38 GMT
Regardless of if crt have a legal duty to provide waste disposal facilities. People seem to be glossing over what the result of the policy of closing them will lead to. Oh yes itβs easier to kick the people not so well off as your self. Silly me to forget that blaming the people at the bottom is easier than challenging the ones responsible. Humans tend to follow the path of least resistance. Well Iβm beginning to think TD was right about one thing at least. That is that you will end up with the navigation authority and network that you deserve. Oh well Iβm very glad Iβve got a mooring off of CRTβs water.
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Post by β on Dec 8, 2023 18:56:12 GMT
Regardless of if crt have a legal duty to provide waste disposal facilities. People seem to be glossing over what the result of the policy of closing them will lead to. Oh yes itβs easier to kick the people not so well off as your self. Silly me to forget that blaming the people at the bottom is easier than challenging the ones responsible. Humans tend to follow the path of least resistance. Well Iβm beginning to think TD was right about one thing at least. That is that you will end up with the navigation authority and network that you deserve. Oh well Iβm very glad Iβve got a mooring off of CRTβs water.
You are assuming that everyone on boats has no money. I keep seeing new 60ft wide beam canal boats. I suppose one can get credit for these if one is on the breadline and the DwP will pay for the fitout.
I am not at all convinced people living on boats are doing so because they can't afford anything else. It would be great if the CRT could open up the land registry and find out how many people living on boats also own property. That would be eye opening and quite easy to do.
Nothing wrong with owning a house and renting it out and living on a boat but if you do that then you can't moan that you are poor and unable to afford your living costs. It won't wash.
There are actually very few people in genuine poverty living on canals. They do exist but this is not the majority and people in that sort of position in their lives should without question be looked after by local authorities rather than navigation authorities.
It seems simplistic but sometimes things actually are simple.
Sailing around the world in a Sloop would be simple as long as the mast is ally not wooden. GRP boat.
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Post by dogless on Dec 8, 2023 19:02:39 GMT
I would hope they maintain existing services whilst appreciating they have to be paid for. Sorry kris but the point you raised was about London ... the issue there is not lack of services but too many boats. Rog
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