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Post by fi on Jan 7, 2024 19:28:06 GMT
Most companies and individuals can carry out a private prosecution for criminal cases as long as the case is not consireded malicious in the first instance. It is part of our democratic rights and is one of a range of measures aimed at stopping a government controlling matters of law without going through the parliamentary process. Lets not chuck stuff out before considering the consequences. Agreed, but doesn't this only cover retribution for damages, and not a criminal conviction with jail. The most notorious example in recent times was probably the Stephen Lawrence case. If I recall correctly, the defendants were only jailed after a further trial No it covers nearly all criminal cases as well, although the CPS can decide to take over the case (as the law allows them to) and decide not to persue the case. Doesn't stop the original 'prosecution person/authority' from restarting the proceedings though (only a judge can do that). It is part of the principles of courts remain supreme in law until an act of parliament overules things. Long may that principle survive. |
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Post by on Jan 7, 2024 19:30:05 GMT
Not at all like CaRT, who use the courts to enforce their laws. The big problem is that there are never any appeals against the judgements, except for one celebrated individual whose name I cannot recall who won a case about Brentford moorings. Nigel Moore  The judge had some good words to say about our Nigel (RIP). He was incredibly persistent and accurate. I don't recall the exact words but it was a compliment. |
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Post by thebfg on Jan 7, 2024 19:38:42 GMT
 Extract from today's news ... perhaps I misinterpreted. Rog To me, that's says post masters were convicted in a court of law but are appealing their sentences to the post office. |
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Post by fi on Jan 7, 2024 19:44:09 GMT
Extract from today's news ... perhaps I misinterpreted. Rog To me, that's says post masters were convicted in a court of law but are appealing their sentences to the post office. They would be appealing to the court, not the post office. Appealing against the post office would be true. The post office can't convict or overturn a ruling from a court - ever. Only a court or the government can do that |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 7, 2024 20:12:22 GMT
In fairness, I'd have to say that I got totally tucked up by my local Postmistress last week when I dropped in to buy a first class stamp. |
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Post by on Jan 7, 2024 20:24:47 GMT
It is interesting how this might have caused trouble.
I have an old Boat acquaintance (he is 80) who watches telly too much, is on a pension never got his shit together etc. Anyway it was interesting to observe that he is convinced that the woman at the post office is stealing money from him. He is rather basic, not educated and illiterate but that is not a bad thing.
He is convinced they are nicking his pension money. I don't think they are but this could be a microcosm of how people are seeing all this shit. They know there was something bent about the post office but don't quite know what.
watching the telly, being influenced by it and coming to conclusions.
There could be loads of people like this around.
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Post by dogless on Jan 8, 2024 8:21:46 GMT
We're finding the unfolding story very hard to watch.
Excellent acting and well made though it is, the story is incredibly upsetting, frustrating and anger inducing.
How these people have survived through this is amazing.
The corruption within the management of the Post Office, purely designed to cover up what they knew to be computer system issues is breath taking.
Why at an early stage management couldn't have decided to open-up about the problems I have no idea.
Rog
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Post by Jim on Jan 8, 2024 9:02:42 GMT
I'm curious as to why HMG, the owners of the PO, didn't act a few years ago to sort it out, a very thorough investigation informed a BBC R4 programme, exposing the whole debacle, has been running for a couple of years at least. It goes into far more detail than the TV prog. A good proportion of Tory MPs must have been aware of it.
Perhaps they could sort it now, one last gift to the country, a real benefit, before they are ousted.
Just had a minister on R4 , dissembling about Vennels CBE removal. Apparently it's down to her to give it back FFS.
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Post by Andyberg on Jan 8, 2024 9:04:02 GMT
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 8, 2024 9:51:06 GMT
I'm curious as to why HMG, the owners of the PO, didn't act a few years ago to sort it out, a very thorough investigation informed a BBC R4 programme, exposing the whole debacle, has been running for a couple of years at least. It goes into far more detail than the TV prog. A good proportion of Tory MPs must have been aware of it. Perhaps they could sort it now, one last gift to the country, a real benefit, before they are ousted. Just had a minister on R4 , dissembling about Vennels CBE removal. Apparently it's down to her to give it back FFS. Conveniently forgetting that between 1997 and 2010 we had a labour government. Most of the prosecutions took place during this period. What did labour do about it? Absolutely nothing. So whilst I agree that the Tories should have expedited clearing up the horrendous miscarriages of justice that took place under Labour, the problems occurred under and were condoned by a labour government. |
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Post by Jim on Jan 8, 2024 10:02:47 GMT
I'm curious as to why HMG, the owners of the PO, didn't act a few years ago to sort it out, a very thorough investigation informed a BBC R4 programme, exposing the whole debacle, has been running for a couple of years at least. It goes into far more detail than the TV prog. A good proportion of Tory MPs must have been aware of it. Perhaps they could sort it now, one last gift to the country, a real benefit, before they are ousted. Just had a minister on R4 , dissembling about Vennels CBE removal. Apparently it's down to her to give it back FFS. Conveniently forgetting that between 1997 and 2010 we had a labour government. Most of the prosecutions took place during this period. What did labour do about it? Absolutely nothing. So whilst I agree that the Tories should have expedited clearing up the horrendous miscarriages of justice that took place under Labour, the problems occurred under and were condoned by a labour government. How could they, no-one but the PO knew the scale of it, each postmaster thought they were the only one. Seeing the future must be a Tory trait Labour haven't mastered yet. |
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Post by kris on Jan 8, 2024 10:18:09 GMT
Conveniently forgetting that between 1997 and 2010 we had a labour government. Most of the prosecutions took place during this period. What did labour do about it? Absolutely nothing. So whilst I agree that the Tories should have expedited clearing up the horrendous miscarriages of justice that took place under Labour, the problems occurred under and were condoned by a labour government. How could they, no-one but the PO knew the scale of it, each postmaster thought they were the only one. Seeing the future must be a Tory trait Labour haven't mastered yet. That must be about the only Tory trait they haven’t mastered? The difference between them is non existent under kier. |
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 8, 2024 10:50:51 GMT
Conveniently forgetting that between 1997 and 2010 we had a labour government. Most of the prosecutions took place during this period. What did labour do about it? Absolutely nothing. So whilst I agree that the Tories should have expedited clearing up the horrendous miscarriages of justice that took place under Labour, the problems occurred under and were condoned by a labour government. How could they, no-one but the PO knew the scale of it, each postmaster thought they were the only one. Seeing the future must be a Tory trait Labour haven't mastered yet. Ah yes of course, how could they possibly have any idea what was going on in the post office which was owned by the government and into which they ploughed millions in subsidies. All those pie and chips banquets down the social club were such a distraction. |
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Post by dogless on Jan 8, 2024 10:56:53 GMT
Once again Jim you wrongly make an issue party political and have it blow up in your face. The mess created by the PO management needs speedily and finally sorting with convictions quashed and appropriate compensation awarded. The management responsible then must be held to account. Rog |
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Post by kris on Jan 8, 2024 11:08:13 GMT
This length of time taken to compensate victims of government agencies negligence isn’t unusual. The victims and families of the contaminated blood scandal from the 80’s are still waiting for their compensation from the goverment. Even though they have won in the courts and been awarded money. Lots of them are dying off. But then itv haven’t made a documentary about it, yet?
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