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Post by kris on Jan 24, 2024 11:44:31 GMT
It seems to me the best solution for boats for reduced fossilised fuel use is better insulation. Whilst my boat has some insulation it would be good to get a grant towards the cost of maxing it out. It would seem to make more sense than trying to get all boats to go electric (and have a diesel generator in a cupboard just in case.) which would involve massive infrastructure costs, not to mention costs to individual boaters. It would seem the eco4 grants currently available for homeowners aren’t applicable for boats because they are combined with ground source heat pumps.(which aren’t suitable for boats.)Anyway the best way for boats would be better insulation. I would always keep the wood burner for back up. But diesel hot air heaters could take over for a lot of the year.
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Post by Jim on Jan 24, 2024 11:50:58 GMT
It seems to me the best solution for boats for reduced fossilised fuel use is better insulation. Whilst my boat has some insulation it would be good to get a grant towards the cost of maxing it out. It would seem to make more sense than trying to get all boats to go electric (and have a diesel generator in a cupboard just in case.) which would involve massive infrastructure costs, not to mention costs to individual boaters. It would seem the eco4 grants currently available for homeowners aren’t applicable for boats because they are combined with ground source heat pumps.(which aren’t suitable for boats.)Anyway the best way for boats would be better insulation. I would always keep the wood burner for back up. But diesel hot air heaters could take over for a lot of the year. The insulation itself isn't all that expensive, the mark up is on staff the fitters and office staff and profit, for the companies that get the contracts. A local sole trader would be able to do it a lot cheaper. Same for free gas boilers and subsided heat pumps, there's no competition so the grants get frittered away. I'll shortly be fitting loft insulation myself, approx 90sq m, a mix of kingspan under a plywood deck and rockwool, maybe £400 or so. |
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Post by kris on Jan 24, 2024 12:46:19 GMT
Where are you buying kingspan from? Rock wool is no good on boats.
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Post by on Jan 24, 2024 13:30:16 GMT
I've had rockwool on several Boats its alright for insulation although I would not fancy retrofitting. Its good for awkward shapes where a flat board would otherwise leave air gaps. Stuff it in there until it won't go in.
If the Boat is damp that is a problem with the ventilation not the insulation.
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Post by Jim on Jan 24, 2024 13:57:04 GMT
Where are you buying kingspan from? Rock wool is no good on boats. Only done a brief look for a source, local builders yards sell it. I'll be using 75mm under plywood in the attic to make a storage area. I'd consider the foil bubble stuff for a boat. Cut to fit the curves, tape the seams with gaffa tape. I did my boat with a spray kit, it's only 25mm thick, it does it's bit. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 24, 2024 18:07:51 GMT
Trouble with a boat is that whatever insulation you have, if you have bus windows then they just act like radiators in reverse. You can feel the cold coming in through them.
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Post by kris on Jan 24, 2024 18:36:41 GMT
Trouble with a boat is that whatever insulation you have, if you have bus windows then they just act like radiators in reverse. You can feel the cold coming in through them. It’s true, most of the heat is lost out of the windows. Most double glazing for boats looks horrendous and is exspensive. |
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Post by fi on Jan 24, 2024 18:44:32 GMT
Trouble with a boat is that whatever insulation you have, if you have bus windows then they just act like radiators in reverse. You can feel the cold coming in through them. Somehow, I'm fairly certain the OP doesn't have bus windows. |
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Post by kris on Jan 24, 2024 19:32:50 GMT
What a funny statement. Why don’t you think I would have be windows.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 25, 2024 18:37:42 GMT
It seems to me the best solution for boats for reduced fossilised fuel use is better insulation. Whilst my boat has some insulation it would be good to get a grant towards the cost of maxing it out. It would seem to make more sense than trying to get all boats to go electric (and have a diesel generator in a cupboard just in case.) which would involve massive infrastructure costs, not to mention costs to individual boaters. It would seem the eco4 grants currently available for homeowners aren’t applicable for boats because they are combined with ground source heat pumps.(which aren’t suitable for boats.)Anyway the best way for boats would be better insulation. I would always keep the wood burner for back up. But diesel hot air heaters could take over for a lot of the year. More insulation is obviously a good thing. Keeps things cooler in summer too. But for a narrowboat at least, it is a space thing. Ever inch of added insulation is an inch off the headroom and 2 inches off the cabin width. Not such a problem for a widebeam, obviously. |
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Post by ianali on Jan 25, 2024 18:41:08 GMT
It seems to me the best solution for boats for reduced fossilised fuel use is better insulation. Whilst my boat has some insulation it would be good to get a grant towards the cost of maxing it out. It would seem to make more sense than trying to get all boats to go electric (and have a diesel generator in a cupboard just in case.) which would involve massive infrastructure costs, not to mention costs to individual boaters. It would seem the eco4 grants currently available for homeowners aren’t applicable for boats because they are combined with ground source heat pumps.(which aren’t suitable for boats.)Anyway the best way for boats would be better insulation. I would always keep the wood burner for back up. But diesel hot air heaters could take over for a lot of the year. More insulation is obviously a good thing. Keeps things cooler in summer too. But for a narrowboat at least, it is a space thing. Ever inch of added insulation is an inch off the headroom and 2 inches off the cabin width. Not such a problem for a widebeam, obviously. Tis’ An inch is an inch 😊 |
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Post by kris on Jan 25, 2024 19:13:18 GMT
It seems to me the best solution for boats for reduced fossilised fuel use is better insulation. Whilst my boat has some insulation it would be good to get a grant towards the cost of maxing it out. It would seem to make more sense than trying to get all boats to go electric (and have a diesel generator in a cupboard just in case.) which would involve massive infrastructure costs, not to mention costs to individual boaters. It would seem the eco4 grants currently available for homeowners aren’t applicable for boats because they are combined with ground source heat pumps.(which aren’t suitable for boats.)Anyway the best way for boats would be better insulation. I would always keep the wood burner for back up. But diesel hot air heaters could take over for a lot of the year. More insulation is obviously a good thing. Keeps things cooler in summer too. But for a narrowboat at least, it is a space thing. Ever inch of added insulation is an inch off the headroom and 2 inches off the cabin width. Not such a problem for a widebeam, obviously. I could lose a lot of space in the cabin and not notice it. The point I was trying to make in this thread. Is that any funding available would be better spent on extra better insulation than any notion of an all electric boat. I’m sat here tonight and even with my inadequate insulation, half a bucket of smokeless and three lumps of wood and I’m toasty. I doubt I could do the same with any kind of electric heating. |
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 25, 2024 19:18:03 GMT
More insulation is obviously a good thing. Keeps things cooler in summer too. But for a narrowboat at least, it is a space thing. Ever inch of added insulation is an inch off the headroom and 2 inches off the cabin width. Not such a problem for a widebeam, obviously. I could lose a lot of space in the cabin and not notice it. The point I was trying to make in this thread. Is that any funding available would be better spent on extra better insulation than any notion of an all electric boat. I’m sat here tonight and even with my inadequate insulation, half a bucket of smokeless and three lumps of wood and I’m toasty. I doubt I could do the same with any kind of electric heating. Yes this is true. However you are burning fossil fuels which is bad for the climate. Apparently. Whereas you could use electric heating powered by wind farms which is not bad for the climate. Apparently. I think most people agree that fossil fuels are the best short term option, but it’s not a long term option. |
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Post by kris on Jan 25, 2024 19:22:59 GMT
I could lose a lot of space in the cabin and not notice it. The point I was trying to make in this thread. Is that any funding available would be better spent on extra better insulation than any notion of an all electric boat. I’m sat here tonight and even with my inadequate insulation, half a bucket of smokeless and three lumps of wood and I’m toasty. I doubt I could do the same with any kind of electric heating. Yes this is true. However you are burning fossil fuels which is bad for the climate. Apparently. Whereas you could use electric heating powered by wind farms which is not bad for the climate. Apparently. I think most people agree that fossil fuels are the best short term option, but it’s not a long term option. No ,but better insulation would cut down my use of fossilised fuels. |
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Post by on Jan 26, 2024 8:12:28 GMT
Living in small spaces causes fewer insulation problems.
For example one of the Boats has a living space of approximately 8 square metres and it has 25 windows. Insulated and lined everywhere else. No bare metal except wibdow frames. Polycarbonate bolted with neoprene foam tape onto steel frames. Never get any condensation except a bit when cooking. Its well laid out a comfortable Boat and very easy to heat because of the fire. It is big enough to make it very very hot in the cabin. Proper hot if needed.
When I had the barge that was one of the main issues. Large space so awkward to heat and I am not interested in central heating or vast fuel consumption.
So yeah. Live in smaller spaces.
Having said that I wouldn't want to live in a narrow Boat again as the shape of the space is wrong.
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