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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 23, 2024 21:46:41 GMT
I would have insisted. There is a generation with a sense of entitlement that transcends all discipline that needs to be taught a lesson. This is symptomatic of the lockdowns we endured with Covid. With the furlough scheme and W.F.H. whilst the 'mental health issues' are so sympathetically endured and generously supported, there is not much hope of improvement. That rail line, the old GWR main line to London, and the branch to Stratford was my childhood stomping ground. There were several 'halts' where you had to be in the right carriage to get off as the train was longer than the platform. Besides, if it's possible (and I know it isn't) somewhere my old man would be smiling that I gave up my seat to a lady. That's a more comforting idea 😁 But you didn't give up your seat to a lady, she just took it.
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Post by dogless on Feb 23, 2024 21:49:57 GMT
No ... both ladies surrendered the seats as they were signed as reserved Sheffield to Birmingham, but whilst Jane of course took hers, I allowed the lady to remain seated.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 23, 2024 22:58:00 GMT
No ... both ladies surrendered the seats as they were signed as reserved Sheffield to Birmingham, but whilst Jane of course took hers, I allowed the lady to remain seated. Rog This does seem an extraordinarily sexist and chauvinistic attitude. Do you feel that the young lady was intrinsically weak and that you needed to protect her? I’m amazed that people still think like this in the 21st century. One might well make a decision to give up one’s booked seat/not to claim it. But not solely on the grounds of the gender of the other person. Anyway, the last laugh was on you because that lady was probably not born a lady, she became a lady because she felt like it, and quite probably did it so that old men would give her their seat. Good move!
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 23, 2024 23:04:11 GMT
This raises the interesting question: are acts of kindness by men, to women, strangers to one another now wrong, as this is sexism in action? Should men treat women exactly as they treat other men, not ruling anything out including, in the most extreme circumstances, violence?
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Post by dogless on Feb 24, 2024 7:19:49 GMT
Chauvinistic and sexist ... you got me.
I was thinking the seat reservation system was clumsy and awkward, because a gentleman may find it difficult to turf someone out of their prebooked seat, whilst a lady may not ... but hadn't considered that only I think this way.
Ignore me ... and I'll continue to give up my seat to those I consider need one more 👍🏻
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 24, 2024 7:26:43 GMT
Chauvinistic and sexist ... you got me. I was thinking the seat reservation system was clumsy and awkward, because a gentleman may find it difficult to turf someone out of their prebooked seat, whilst a lady may not ... but hadn't considered that only I think this way. Ignore me ... and I'll continue to give up my seat to those I consider need one more 👍🏻 Rog As I said, giving up one’s seat to those one considers need it more, is commendable and I’d do the same. But giving up one’s seat just because the other person doesn’t appear to have a penis (even though you can’t always tell these days) is very odd. In what way does the absense of a penis make someone more needy of a seat?
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 24, 2024 7:35:34 GMT
This raises the interesting question: are acts of kindness by men, to women, strangers to one another now wrong, as this is sexism in action? Should men treat women exactly as they treat other men, not ruling anything out including, in the most extreme circumstances, violence? It’s slightly more complicated than that because it is certainly true that there are fundamental differences between the male and female of the species, one being sheer strength due to testosterone or the lack of it. So IMO women should be treated the same as men in most respects. For example, I would hold a door open for someone because it’s the courteous thing to do. Or give up a seat to someone who appeared frail. The gender of the person is not relevant. I am not a violent person so I would not strike the first blow to someone else regardless of gender. But if someone else hits me first, I’ll likely retaliate regardless of their gender. Some women seem to think they can hit men with the expectation that they are not risking retaliation. They need to be disabused of that belief.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 24, 2024 8:41:31 GMT
This raises the interesting question: are acts of kindness by men, to women, strangers to one another now wrong, as this is sexism in action? Should men treat women exactly as they treat other men, not ruling anything out including, in the most extreme circumstances, violence? It’s slightly more complicated than that because it is certainly true that there are fundamental differences between the male and female of the species, one being sheer strength due to testosterone or the lack of it. So IMO women should be treated the same as men in most respects. For example, I would hold a door open for someone because it’s the courteous thing to do. Or give up a seat to someone who appeared frail. The gender of the person is not relevant. I am not a violent person so I would not strike the first blow to someone else regardless of gender. But if someone else hits me first, I’ll likely retaliate regardless of their gender. Some women seem to think they can hit men with the expectation that they are not risking retaliation. They need to be disabused of that belief. Can't disagree with most of that. Most reports of the carnage in Gaza include the term, when refering to deaths: 'including women and children'. I find this a little surprising, in these days of equality. I wonder what drives this. Is it that women and children, rarely if ever involved (as groups) in warfare, deserve to die less than individual men who are not involved in warfare? Is it that men, generally being physically stronger than women and children, are somehow expected to survive being in a collapsed building, it having being hit by a bomb? Something else, that I've missed?
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 24, 2024 8:59:40 GMT
It’s slightly more complicated than that because it is certainly true that there are fundamental differences between the male and female of the species, one being sheer strength due to testosterone or the lack of it. So IMO women should be treated the same as men in most respects. For example, I would hold a door open for someone because it’s the courteous thing to do. Or give up a seat to someone who appeared frail. The gender of the person is not relevant. I am not a violent person so I would not strike the first blow to someone else regardless of gender. But if someone else hits me first, I’ll likely retaliate regardless of their gender. Some women seem to think they can hit men with the expectation that they are not risking retaliation. They need to be disabused of that belief. Can't disagree with most of that. Most reports of the carnage in Gaza include the term, when refering to deaths: 'including women and children'. I find this a little surprising, in these days of equality. I wonder what drives this. Is it that women and children, rarely if ever involved (as groups) in warfare, deserve to die less than individual men who are not involved in warfare? Is it that men, generally being physically stronger than women and children, are somehow expected to survive being in a collapsed building, it having being hit by a bomb? Something else, that I've missed? Yes I think that whilst it has to be accepted that wars are mostly started and fought by men, a woman’s life or suffering is not “worth more” than a man’s. Children are a bit different (depending on age) because they are intrinsically very vulnerable and rely on adults to keep them safe.
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Post by Aloysius on Feb 24, 2024 9:03:15 GMT
You just couldn't resist, could you?
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Post by on Feb 24, 2024 9:31:50 GMT
We had a funny one on a trip through France. The Woman had booked a block of 4 seats in first class on the TGV.
some old slag was sitting there so we mentioned the tickets and asked her to move. She didn't move. We just waited until the Guard came through and showed him our tickets he apologised and got her to fuck off.
It was funny in a way. She just didn't believe we had booked first class. The look on her face when we approached was amusing.
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Post by kris on Feb 24, 2024 9:40:21 GMT
Did you have your raffia hat on?
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Post by on Feb 24, 2024 9:53:20 GMT
Yes I think so.
This plus a Moroccan bird and two infants could have been a trigger.
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Post by kris on Feb 24, 2024 9:54:38 GMT
It would have been the hat, with your hair. That and the inherent racism in French society.
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Post by on Feb 24, 2024 9:59:02 GMT
Yes they are proper racists over there.
Much worse than the English. I mean we mostly hate the furriners but people with malice are fewer. France has much more potential for serious right wing shit than we do.
The old hag blocking the seat would have been a daily mail reader had she been English.
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