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Post by kris on Mar 18, 2024 13:50:00 GMT
Just a question for the crew. Should crt focus their enforcement efforts on the blatant piss taking boats. We all know the ones, no licence, no number, no insurance and never move. Or should they as I’ve witnessed my self on several occasions keep going for the low hanging fruit. Vulnerable boaters who for what ever reason are unable to defend themselves.
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Post by on Mar 18, 2024 13:59:32 GMT
It will be all about the costs. Someone will be bean counting so the people most likely to get problems are those previously licensed who have issues and for one reason or another can't get their shit together.
Organised unlicensed seems to be more expensive to handle.
So yeah. Vulnerable elderly people probably.
It is important for people to understand that it makes no difference what some rather vocal individuals might think, write or say. The CRT can and do take people's Boats off them.
It is a QED situation.
Also by targeting the less organised ty
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Post by kris on Mar 18, 2024 14:01:34 GMT
It will be all about the costs. Someone will be bean counting so the people mist likely to get problems are those previously licensed who have issues and for one reason or another can't get their shit together. Organised unlicensed seems to be more expensive to handle. So yeah. Vulnerable elderly people probably. This is exactly CRT’s reasoning. Vulnerable elderly people, or people with mental health problems seem to be their favorite targets.
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Post by on Mar 18, 2024 14:03:13 GMT
Also by targeting the less organised types there is less chance of anything going to court. Our Tony keeps going on about it but he will never get anywhere near a court because he is all piss and wind.
Maybe the CRT can't technically take the Boat but they do and then they sell it to someone else.
This is fact not fiction.
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Post by kris on Mar 18, 2024 14:04:27 GMT
You seem to be catching Tony’s repetition disease?
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Post by on Mar 18, 2024 14:04:30 GMT
It will be all about the costs. Someone will be bean counting so the people mist likely to get problems are those previously licensed who have issues and for one reason or another can't get their shit together. Organised unlicensed seems to be more expensive to handle. So yeah. Vulnerable elderly people probably. This is exactly CRT’s reasoning. Vulnerable elderly people, or people with mental health problems seem to be their favorite targets. Tony being a classic example. Obviously he's alright as the Boat was not his residence but for someone who actually lives aboard it is serious shit. They could be in a tent or under a bridge.
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Post by on Mar 18, 2024 14:04:52 GMT
You seem to be catching Tony’s repetition disease? Disjointed posts now edited.
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Post by on Mar 18, 2024 14:05:49 GMT
I am in favour of badly behaved entitled idiots with shit all over the towing paths being taken down a peg but there will be some others caught in the net.
The CRT do need to sort out their estate. People using the path to store stuff need clearing because otherwise there will be problems.
Land use.
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Post by kris on Mar 18, 2024 14:16:43 GMT
Also by targeting the less organised types there is less chance of anything going to court. Our Tony keeps going on about it but he will never get anywhere near a court because he is all piss and wind. Maybe the CRT can't technically take the Boat but they do and then they sell it to someone else. This is fact not fiction. There is less chance of a legal precedent being set. They do seem to be afraid of the real issues appearing infront of a judge.It’s a shame about Tony, not all of what he says is nonsense and lies. But there so much mixed in with the facts that people get turned off to his arguments, plus the personal abuse of course. It’s a pity he couldn’t keep his shit together to mount a decent legal challenge. The way crt go about things does need legally challenging, but unfortunately it won’t be Tony who does it. The widebeam surcharge, which lets face it was brought in to try and address the issue of the number of new widebeams appearing on the southern end of the network London especially. It has the maybe unintended consequence of threatening the survival of alot of the old commercial widebeams that mainly reside in the north east. I thought crt where there to help preserve the heritage? We are the last generation that will see these boats or a little bit of the way it used to be. Because of the selling off of a lot of the canalside property the context is getting lost. Context is very important in archeology.
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Post by dogless on Mar 18, 2024 14:24:03 GMT
But who decides who's deserving of forbearance and who's an out and out 'piss taker' and on what is such judgement or qualification based ?
Rog
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Post by on Mar 18, 2024 14:24:55 GMT
I agree about Tony.
He could be a real asset in fact a treasure but he is so belligerent and irritating it is unbelievable.
Someone like that should be an elder statesman and a role model or guide.
In reality he presents as a slightly unhinged nutter. I would wager that with his attitude problems he would not get anywhere even if it did go to court because they don't like that kind of thing.
Nigel Moore RIP was polite. A gentleman. He won in court. The wrong person died.
Its a shame about Tony because as you say he does have some valid points.
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Post by Aloysius on Mar 18, 2024 14:41:54 GMT
Also by targeting the less organised types there is less chance of anything going to court. Our Tony keeps going on about it but he will never get anywhere near a court because he is all piss and wind. Maybe the CRT can't technically take the Boat but they do and then they sell it to someone else. This is fact not fiction. There is less chance of a legal precedent being set There is no chance of a precedent being set unless a case is heard in a 'court of record' eg a court of appeal. There's no point trying to pick holes in S8; as most agree, it's watertight despite anything said to the contrary. Years back there was a case on the k&a found in favour of the defendant where the issue at hand was what constitutes reasonable movement, the finding being that 'reasonable' did not refer to time or distance but instead circumstances of an individual nature. But, since the court was not a court of appeal...you know the rest. If you want more detail I believe NABT have it on the website somewhere, I came across it via the kanda website. This is where NABT should be pushing; to raise funds for an appeal against a 'successful' S8 action which always stand on the question of movement and distance. This is why CRT won't engage on the subject because they know it's hokey. It's the weak spot. It's the bleeding Ardenne forest for feck's sake.
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Post by kris on Mar 18, 2024 14:48:50 GMT
I agree about Tony. He could be a real asset in fact a treasure but he is so belligerent and irritating it is unbelievable. Someone like that should be an elder statesman and a role model or guide. In reality he presents as a slightly unhinged nutter. I would wager that with his attitude problems he would not get anywhere even if it did go to court because they don't like that kind of thing. Nigel Moore RIP was polite. A gentleman. He won in court. The wrong person died. Its a shame about Tony because as you say he does have some valid points. Yes I agree it was a great shame that Nigel passed. Any judge would just laugh under his breath then judge against Tony if he came into court with his belligerent attitude.
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Post by kris on Mar 18, 2024 15:15:36 GMT
I’m just going to bump this so it’s above Tony’s thread.
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Post by on Mar 18, 2024 15:21:01 GMT
an appeal against a 'successful' S8 action which always stand on the question of movement and distance. Tony's S8 had nothing to do with movement or distance. The Boat was unlicensed but did have a place where it could reasonably be kept ie a mooring.
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