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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 16:11:19 GMT
Why has it taken so long ? It seemed pretty obvious he behaved recklessly. Its not nice having to wait for an inquest. 3 years seems too long to me. Is there something special about aircraft pilots? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43494430
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 16:15:08 GMT
He was injured in the crash so my guess is that they have waited until he has mad a sufficient recovery before announcing this. That said apparently his trail wont be until next year. But that is pure speculation on my part but it seems an inordinate amount of time to come to a decision I agree.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 22, 2018 16:36:38 GMT
Why has it taken so long ? It seemed pretty obvious he behaved recklessly. Its not nice having to wait for an inquest. 3 years seems too long to me. Is there something special about aircraft pilots? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43494430You don’t really know whether he was reckless or not, unless you are prepared to take some story-monger’s view as gospel. Clearly he made a mistake. Have you ever made a mistake? Whether his mistake was a result of recklessness or just a mistake due to a momentary bit of confusion (whilst pulling 5g or whatever), I wouldn’t like to say at this stage.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 22, 2018 16:39:34 GMT
Personally I find it rather offensive that the families are baying for him to be convicted. Do they think it’s going to bring their loved ones back? It’s all part of a cultural shift to vengeance and retribution, imported fro the yanks. Whatever happened to “having an accident”? Seems so last century (before the ambulance chasing lawyers).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 16:40:45 GMT
Fair point. No I don't know about flying planes but I would have thought one of the primary objectives was to avoid hitting the ground at speed and it appears that most people flying aircraft are able to achieve this. Maybe the plane was faulty.
Perhaps I should withdraw the accusation of recklessness and ask the simple question why have people whose relatives have been killed in this way had to wait 3 years+ for an inquest ?
Not acceptable .
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 22, 2018 16:45:40 GMT
Fair point. No I don't know about flying planes but I would have thought one of the primary objectives was to avoid hitting the ground at speed and it appears that most people flying aircraft are able to achieve this. Maybe the plane was faulty. Perhaps I should withdraw the accusation of recklessness and ask the simple question why have people whose relatives have been killed in this way had to wait 3 years+ for an inquest ? Not acceptable . No I think it was his fault. He went into the looping manoeuvre with insufficient energy. He had the option to roll out of it (when upside down, too low and slow) but chose to continue with a pull-through that couldn’t succeed. But then ISTR he was used to flying a different type of plane that would have been able to continue the manoeuvre from that state so it could simply have been confusion on his part. One needs to await the AAIB report, these typically take more than 2 years for a serious accident like that. You could have the inquest sooner, but you wouldn’t be in possession of the full facts so it would be a bit pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 16:46:21 GMT
I agree the "retribution" thing is a bit sad but is it possible that these people just want to get their dead relatives "laid to rest" For some reason its difficult to do that before an inquest has taken place.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 16:49:28 GMT
As I am prepared to take some story-monger’s view as gospel I had understood that the maneuver was not authorised or part of the display. That's where the reckless bit comes in but of course that could all be made up by newspapers I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 22, 2018 18:01:20 GMT
I agree the "retribution" thing is a bit sad but is it possible that these people just want to get their dead relatives "laid to rest" For some reason its difficult to do that before an inquest has taken place. Very sadly the main cause of their deaths was being in the wrong place at the wrong time. But as I said, “accidents” aren’t allowed these days. He could of course have crashed almost anywhere and I just injured himself, it was very bad luck that not only did he cock up the manoeuvre but also hit the road, which is quite a small target.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 22, 2018 18:14:42 GMT
As I am prepared to take some story-monger’s view as gospel I had understood that the maneuver was not authorised or part of the display. That's where the reckless bit comes in but of course that could all be made up by newspapers I wouldn't be surprised. That’s something like the version we’ve been told, but we haven’t heard his side. There will be a lot of arse covering/sloping the blame. Just because a manoeuvre isn’t “authorised” by some desk jockey doesn’t mean it’s reckless. The manoeuvre is authorised in the flight manual, it just wasn’t agreed for that day. What is more relevant is whether he departed from the aerobatic crowd line. Not sure. It may be that the organisers failed to consider what could happen off-Airfield if something went wrong. Of course they will desperately be trying to blame the pilot.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 22, 2018 18:41:23 GMT
As I am prepared to take some story-monger’s view as gospel I had understood that the maneuver was not authorised or part of the display. That's where the reckless bit comes in but of course that could all be made up by newspapers I wouldn't be surprised. How will they cope if he is found innocent.
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Post by Stumpy on Mar 22, 2018 18:53:00 GMT
PLEASE NOTE: This is only a Special AAIB bulletin, published on the 4th Sep 2015.... G-BXFI LinkThe official report is yet to be produced.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 22, 2018 19:14:04 GMT
PLEASE NOTE: This is only a Special AAIB bulletin, published on the 4th Sep 2015.... G-BXFI LinkThe official report is yet to be produced. Yes it doesn’t tell us much. With the two diagrams not sharing the same orientation I’m too stupid to work out whether the crash was on the extended display line or not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 19:24:12 GMT
I can to a degree understand how the families feel but what got my goat was the usual 'outpouring' of grief of those not in anyway directly affected.
I remember afterwards getting into a right ruck with some knob on CWDF who claimed they lived in Shoreham and how he and other people who lived there were 'devastated' by the crash. No you idiot the families will be devastated not some maudling hangers on.
It got a bit heated when I took the piss out of the local brass band playing the last post on a local foot bridge. FFS the last post is for military purposes not for civilians, he claimed it helped the 'community healing' process. I lost the will to live at that point.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 22, 2018 19:26:14 GMT
I can to a degree understand how the families feel but what got my goat was the usual 'outpouring' of grief of those not in anyway directly affected. I remember afterwards getting into a right ruck with some knob on CWDF who claimed they lived in Shoreham and how he and other people who lived there were 'devastated' by the crash. No you idiot the families will be devastated not some maudling hangers on. It got a bit heated when I took the piss out of the local brass band playing the last post on a local foot bridge. FFS the last post is for military purposes not for civilians, he claimed it helped the 'community healing' process. I lost the will to live at that point. Yes I vaguely remember that, but can’t remember who the CWDF snowflake was. On that occasion I agreed with everything you said. Wow!
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