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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:07:01 GMT
In the case of the scum who threw the water bottle at me the other day I did consider having a word but was concerned he might get out of the car and do a Mr stabby on me. I hate hospitals . I agree though that personal interaction is the way forward perhaps something like "excuse me, why do you throw your rubbish down rather than looking for a bin you worthless piece of vermin?" (giggle) Yes, you are right. It’s best to make sure you don’t make the situation dangerous for yourself before doing so. Sometimes ‘freinds of the idiot’ are waiting behind the scenes as me and Chris found out when confronted by a teenager on a bike at Windsor in the railway arches. I think he was going for my mobile phone. When I confronted him, 2 of his mates appeared from behind and tried to step in. Actually it’s even harder telling kids off, you are even more likely to end up the 1 in 10. I remember the days when the PC on the beat would clip them (me) around the earhole.... What’s gone wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:15:39 GMT
..because, the police or a council official have to personally witness it. Can’t see any of them eating into a day or two of their time to do that. It seems the video isn’t good enough. What’s gone very wrong is that people are too afraid to say something to the perpetrators because they are scared of getting done for harassment. Video/CCTV is perfectly fine as evidence in many court cases - what makes you think that was what led to the non-prosecution?
As I indicated earlier the video and petition only lead to people making there own judgements. Without the detail it is impossible to work out what the solution needs to be - certainly doesn't appear to me that the punishment for fly-tipping needs to be increased and I doubt other laws need changing.
I just struggle to see what the video/petition will achieve. (to me it just seems like a semi-official rant)
I didn’t say it was the only thing which led to non-prosecution. As I said, it’s more likely the police don’t see it as ‘high priority’. As you said, video evidence is Ok in many cases...but not all. (Blimey, this reminds me of conversations I used to have with someone on the AnalWotld forum).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:16:05 GMT
I think the best approach to littering problems is to arrange "leave your litter in the street" days and put some sort of posters up. Everyone (theoretically) has equal rights so if some people think its ok to litter the streets and pavements then presumably it's OK for everyone else to do it as well. Don't worry about bins just dump it on the pavement. Not a problem. Maybe a "litter Sunday" or something. Weekly. ... or we could drop it around yours seeing as you seem to feel a duty of care regarding rubbish... ;-) If you do I won't be clearing it. I will never ever pick up someone else's rubbish. That is the wrong attitude Littering is a psychological an educational problem. I personally believe that people who pick up other peoples litter (council cleaners excepted) are doing more harm than good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:18:22 GMT
... or we could drop it around yours seeing as you seem to feel a duty of care regarding rubbish... ;-) If you do I won't be clearing it. I will never ever pick up someone else's rubbish. That is the wrong attitude Littering is a psychological an educational problem. I personally believe that people who pick up other peoples litter (council cleaners excepted) are doing more harm than good. Strange, as in your other post you seem to be promoting the idea of leading by example.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:19:27 GMT
Somewhere along the line general courtesy and respect seems to have gone missing. Its awkward to pin down the exact reasons but I'd say its evolution of modern society.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:22:24 GMT
I didn’t say it was the only thing which led to non-prosecution. As I said, it’s more likely the police don’t see it as ‘high priority’. As you said, video evidence is Ok in many cases...but not all. (Blimey, this reminds me of conversations I used to have with someone on the AnalWotld forum). Fair enough.
Not sure why you want to bring the police into it though - none of their business (except in extreme cases).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:23:36 GMT
If you do I won't be clearing it. I will never ever pick up someone else's rubbish. That is the wrong attitude Littering is a psychological an educational problem. I personally believe that people who pick up other peoples litter (council cleaners excepted) are doing more harm than good. Strange, as in your other post you seem to be promoting the idea of leading by example. Yes. I do not drop litter. I use bins which are deliberately provided for this purpose. This is what I call leading by example. I can not see any reason why you would think that picking up litter that someone else has chosen to throw down could in any way be a positive thing to do. It's the opposite and in fact it is very patronising.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:24:58 GMT
[quote author="@bassplayer" source="/post/127563/thread" timestamp="1532092021"[ What’s gone wrong? Somewhere along the line general courtesy and respect seems to have gone missing. Its awkward to pin down the exact reasons but I'd say its evolution of modern society. [/quote] I hope not. I think we should always stand up for what is right. Ok, it’s difficult to change the world, but the people immediately around us are influenced by what we do. Hopefully, if everyone made an effort to respect and be nice to those around us, the world would be a better place. (or would it be boring...haven’t worked that bit out yet...lol) It’s the piss takers who bugger it all up.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 20, 2018 13:25:36 GMT
... or we could drop it around yours seeing as you seem to feel a duty of care regarding rubbish... ;-) If you do I won't be clearing it. I will never ever pick up someone else's rubbish. That is the wrong attitude Littering is a psychological an educational problem. I personally believe that people who pick up other peoples litter (council cleaners excepted) are doing more harm than good. If I'm doing a lock and I see some scuzzers have left some empty beer cans etc lying about then I always pick them up and drop them in a CRT bin from atop my high horse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:26:26 GMT
I didn’t say it was the only thing which led to non-prosecution. As I said, it’s more likely the police don’t see it as ‘high priority’. As you said, video evidence is Ok in many cases...but not all. (Blimey, this reminds me of conversations I used to have with someone on the AnalWotld forum). Fair enough.
Not sure why you want to bring the police into it though - none of their business (except in extreme cases).
It’s a criminal offence but has to be witnessed by the police ( or official)...I think...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:29:12 GMT
If you do I won't be clearing it. I will never ever pick up someone else's rubbish. That is the wrong attitude Littering is a psychological an educational problem. I personally believe that people who pick up other peoples litter (council cleaners excepted) are doing more harm than good. If I'm doing a lock and I see some scuzzers have left some empty beer cans etc lying about then I always pick them up and drop them in a CRT bin from atop my high horse. Don’t you check the tins are really empty first?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:29:38 GMT
I thought the police reference earlier was a joke about canalworld.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:30:36 GMT
If you do I won't be clearing it. I will never ever pick up someone else's rubbish. That is the wrong attitude Littering is a psychological an educational problem. I personally believe that people who pick up other peoples litter (council cleaners excepted) are doing more harm than good. If I'm doing a lock and I see some scuzzers have left some empty beer cans etc lying about then I always pick them up and drop them in a CRT bin from atop my high horse. Me also, i slurp the dregs out first though...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:32:13 GMT
Strange, as in your other post you seem to be promoting the idea of leading by example. Yes. I do not drop litter. I use bins which are deliberately provided for this purpose. This is what I call leading by example. I can not see any reason why you would think that picking up litter that someone else has chosen to throw down could in any way be a positive thing to do. It's the opposite and in fact it is very patronising. If a ‘litter bug’ sees me pick up their litter and put it in a bin, I couldn’t give a shit if they feel patronised. Maybe that’s the kick up the arse they need. Softly and quietly...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:32:49 GMT
If you do I won't be clearing it. I will never ever pick up someone else's rubbish. That is the wrong attitude Littering is a psychological an educational problem. I personally believe that people who pick up other peoples litter (council cleaners excepted) are doing more harm than good. If I'm doing a lock and I see some scuzzers have left some empty beer cans etc lying about then I always pick them up and drop them in a CRT bin from atop my high horse. I sikaflex them to a balance beam so everyone can see them and nobody trips on them . Clearing up other peoples rubbish has negative outcomes. I like checking bins for good shit like water pumps with failed pressure switches but attempting to gloss over societal littering problems is a no-go as far as I am concerned. And I am concerned.
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