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Post by JohnV on Aug 21, 2018 16:16:53 GMT
the correct reply to all these type of things is ..... "Grow up" TRy telling that to many of the people taking part in the special olympics and you would get a robust response! see my edit ........ the type of complaints that ross quoted are very different and to those my reply was correct ..... out of sync post/reply
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 16:26:30 GMT
TRy telling that to many of the people taking part in the special olympics and you would get a robust response! see my edit ........ the type of complaints that ross quoted are very different and to those my reply was correct ..... out of sync post/reply There are some sections of society that I believe it is necessary or beneficial for those who are better off to speak out about. In the case that Foxy commented on - how does changing a name of a drink in anyway impinge on the spirit of free speech. It is a bad example in my opinion.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2018 16:37:43 GMT
There are lots of things that offend me, but I can't think of any that have been banned. It's so unfair. At least I can tell the kids on my bus if I think they are ugly.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 21, 2018 16:42:20 GMT
I used to have a bong made out of a demijohn called "Hiroshima" which I guess is bad taste. Wicked bong though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 16:44:07 GMT
There are lots of things that offend me, but I can't think of any that have been banned. It's so unfair. At least I can tell the kids on my bus if I think they are ugly. I'm glad you never drove me to school, I had enough of a problem with the girls saying I was ugly!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 21, 2018 16:45:43 GMT
I've always wondered if they have dedicated car parking spaces for normal people at the Special Olympics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 16:46:40 GMT
Is this 'on topic'? " A brewery has agreed to stop selling its cider product 'Suicider' at a festival after a Samaritans volunteer found it 'insensitive'. " "Tim Chichester from Wiscombe Cider said in 40 years Mr Hillier's complaint was the first he has had about the drink's name." "Mr Hillier said although a 'play on words' the name did not sit well with him because of his volunteer work with the Samaritans." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6082537/Brewery-agrees-stop-selling-Suicider-drink-festival-Samaritan-volunteer-complaint.html"I wanted the brewery to stop selling Bishops Finger as it brought back bad memories of when I was a choirboy." Oh dear "Suicider" is quite a funny name considering that alcohol is linked with depression . It could be seen as a little insensitive perhaps by some people. I have been affected by the phenomenon of suicide (my mother, 3 of my uncles (her brothers and a cousin all died this way none of the events alcohol related) but I would still defend the right of a company to call its product a funny name. I wonder if the Samaritans person had experienced the suicide of a relative.
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Post by patty on Aug 21, 2018 16:55:37 GMT
What a world this is becoming..offence seen at names of drinks etc... I put together a box of beer for a gift and carefully selected contents by name as I wanted to send a message...now I wouldn't have included suicider...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 16:57:41 GMT
Is this 'on topic'? " A brewery has agreed to stop selling its cider product 'Suicider' at a festival after a Samaritans volunteer found it 'insensitive'. " "Tim Chichester from Wiscombe Cider said in 40 years Mr Hillier's complaint was the first he has had about the drink's name." "Mr Hillier said although a 'play on words' the name did not sit well with him because of his volunteer work with the Samaritans." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6082537/Brewery-agrees-stop-selling-Suicider-drink-festival-Samaritan-volunteer-complaint.html"I wanted the brewery to stop selling Bishops Finger as it brought back bad memories of when I was a choirboy." Oh dear "Suicider" is quite a funny name considering that alcohol is linked with depression . It could be seen as a little insensitive perhaps by some people. I have been affected by the phenomenon of suicide (my mother, 3 of my uncles (her brothers and a cousin all died this way none of the events alcohol related) but I would still defend the right of a company to call its product a funny name. I wonder if the Samaritans person had experienced the suicide of a relative. But you are one person, another person may have a different opinion of the name. Should that 'another person' keep quiet or speak his/her thoughts?
In my mind I get 'afraid' to speak out about what I think both because of the professionally outraged and those that say 'anything goes'. Much of the time I just shut up though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 17:00:13 GMT
Oh shit it was another daily mail article. "Do not engage!"
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2018 18:26:38 GMT
I don't think 'Suicider' as a name for a cider is funny. Because it's just not that clever. As a joke. It might get a mild titter.
It does remind me of this joke though: Q. How do you get a prick drunk? A. Stick in in cider!
The Novichok Edition is funnier, as it rides on what was current News a few weeks back, and is just a sort of Haha! thingy.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 21, 2018 19:57:58 GMT
Is this 'on topic'? " A brewery has agreed to stop selling its cider product 'Suicider' at a festival after a Samaritans volunteer found it 'insensitive'. " "Tim Chichester from Wiscombe Cider said in 40 years Mr Hillier's complaint was the first he has had about the drink's name." "Mr Hillier said although a 'play on words' the name did not sit well with him because of his volunteer work with the Samaritans." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6082537/Brewery-agrees-stop-selling-Suicider-drink-festival-Samaritan-volunteer-complaint.html"I wanted the brewery to stop selling Bishops Finger as it brought back bad memories of when I was a choirboy." There is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion, for or against. I don't like spastic/mong/retard because I have a long family history connected (mainly through the special olympics) to people who these terms affect the most. I try to be careful that my comments don't impinge on free speech but at the end of the day I'm entitled to think/comment what I want to (within legal boundaries) - if that persuades others to adjust their behaviour then so what. The problem here is that we are on what is called the "euphemism treadmill", whereby a perjorative term is replaced by a more politically correct term,which over time then becomes perjorative itself. The word "retard" was originally introduced as a kinder alternative to "imbecile" or "cretin" but then fell out of favour and was replaced with "special needs" which will in time become a perjorative insult itself. Similarly, when "spastic" became unacceptable, the Spastics Society changed its name to Scope, with the result that children of school age now use "scoper" as a playground insult.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 20:06:39 GMT
There is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion, for or against. I don't like spastic/mong/retard because I have a long family history connected (mainly through the special olympics) to people who these terms affect the most. I try to be careful that my comments don't impinge on free speech but at the end of the day I'm entitled to think/comment what I want to (within legal boundaries) - if that persuades others to adjust their behaviour then so what. The problem here is that we are on what is called the "euphemism treadmill", whereby a perjorative term is replaced by a more politically correct term,which over time then becomes perjorative itself. The word "retard" was originally introduced as a kinder alternative to "imbecile" or "cretin" but then fell out of favour and was replaced with "special needs" which will in time become a perjorative insult itself. Similarly, when "spastic" became unacceptable, the Spastics Society changed its name to Scope, with the result that children of school age now use "scoper" as a playground insult. I don't disagree. Just believe that somewhere along the line people using the terms start to understand the wider issues because others challenge their behavior. In many ways it's not the words but the thoughtlessness that comes with them that needs challenging.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 21, 2018 20:16:34 GMT
The problem here is that we are on what is called the "euphemism treadmill", whereby a perjorative term is replaced by a more politically correct term,which over time then becomes perjorative itself. The word "retard" was originally introduced as a kinder alternative to "imbecile" or "cretin" but then fell out of favour and was replaced with "special needs" which will in time become a perjorative insult itself. Similarly, when "spastic" became unacceptable, the Spastics Society changed its name to Scope, with the result that children of school age now use "scoper" as a playground insult. I don't disagree. Just believe that somewhere along the line people using the terms start to understand the wider issues because others challenge their behavior. In many ways it's not the words but the thoughtlessness that comes with them that needs challenging. Curiously, (given your user name) you may be interested to know that "idiot" was originally a psychiatric term which described people with profound mental disability. An idiot was a person with a mental age below that of a three-year-old, an imbecile had a mental age between three and seven, and a moron had a mental age between seven and ten. All three terms became socially unacceptable but curiously "idiot" has now become simply a very mild perjorative which is not considered to be politically incorrect.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 21, 2018 20:16:48 GMT
The problem here is that we are on what is called the "euphemism treadmill", whereby a perjorative term is replaced by a more politically correct term,which over time then becomes perjorative itself. The word "retard" was originally introduced as a kinder alternative to "imbecile" or "cretin" but then fell out of favour and was replaced with "special needs" which will in time become a perjorative insult itself. Similarly, when "spastic" became unacceptable, the Spastics Society changed its name to Scope, with the result that children of school age now use "scoper" as a playground insult. I don't disagree. Just believe that somewhere along the line people using the terms start to understand the wider issues because others challenge their behavior. In many ways it's not the words but the thoughtlessness that comes with them that needs challenging. But yet again, stopping the use of the word doesn't solve a thing. That is the whole point of the original clip. Outrage (real or faux) at the use of a word or phrase and screams to ban or prosecute the person who said it is A) replacing one form of persecution with another and B) counter productive because it does nothing about addressing the mindset.
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