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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 20:23:33 GMT
I don't disagree. Just believe that somewhere along the line people using the terms start to understand the wider issues because others challenge their behavior. In many ways it's not the words but the thoughtlessness that comes with them that needs challenging. But yet again, stopping the use of the word doesn't solve a thing. That is the whole point of the original clip. Outrage (real or faux) at the use of a word or phrase and screams to ban or prosecute the person who said it is A) replacing one form of persecution with another and B) counter productive because it does nothing about addressing the mindset. But yet again, I say this... (of a sort)
If anything goes and mustn't be criticised then nothing will ever change. By criticising something you are not stopping free speech - it is up to the person being criticised as to whether they change their views...
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Post by JohnV on Aug 21, 2018 20:27:06 GMT
But yet again, stopping the use of the word doesn't solve a thing. That is the whole point of the original clip. Outrage (real or faux) at the use of a word or phrase and screams to ban or prosecute the person who said it is A) replacing one form of persecution with another and B) counter productive because it does nothing about addressing the mindset. But yet again, I say this... (of a sort)
If anything goes and mustn't be criticised then nothing will ever change. By criticising something you are not stopping free speech - it is up to the person being criticised as to whether they change their views...
agree with you totally, criticise away, I only object to those who criticise and then demand the nuclear option. Constructive or explanatory criticism helps. Banning hinders change edited to add "change" pressed the button too soon (just back from the pub  ) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 20:34:55 GMT
And the insults continue... only the words change.
The words don't matter, but we must challenge the thinking behind them.
Banning doesn't work.
Exposing ridiculous ideas to ridicule is the best way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 20:51:35 GMT
I don't disagree. Just believe that somewhere along the line people using the terms start to understand the wider issues because others challenge their behavior. In many ways it's not the words but the thoughtlessness that comes with them that needs challenging. Curiously, (given your user name) you may be interested to know that "idiot" was originally a psychiatric term which described people with profound mental disability. An idiot was a person with a mental age below that of a three-year-old, an imbecile had a mental age between three and seven, and a moron had a mental age between seven and ten. All three terms became socially unacceptable but curiously "idiot" has now become simply a very mild perjorative which is not considered to be politically incorrect. My user name was chosen in (nearly) full knowledge of this. I suspect you remember my early days on here, whilst I had a mental age above the previous requirement I was certainly struggling to make my views heard/accepted/understood. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 21, 2018 20:51:44 GMT
My Dad was very politically correct for his day, and I remember being told off as a young child for describing a person as "black", my Dad insisted I should be describing them as "coloured", and the main organisation campaigning for equal racial rights in the USA at the time was called "The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People". Nowadays of course it is considered extremely offensive to refer to a negro as "coloured". Thank God one thing remains untouched and unaffected by the ever-shifting sands of political correctness, the total acceptability of any and all derogatory terms aimed towards Gingers.  |
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Post by Jim on Aug 22, 2018 5:11:13 GMT
My Dad was very politically correct for his day, and I remember being told off as a young child for describing a person as "black", my Dad insisted I should be describing them as "coloured", and the main organisation campaigning for equal racial rights in the USA at the time was called "The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People". Nowadays of course it is considered extremely offensive to refer to a negro as "coloured". Thank God one thing remains untouched and unaffected by the ever-shifting sands of political correctness, the total acceptability of any and all derogatory terms aimed towards Gingers. No, I think you are wrong there, they have been redesigned as "people with awful red hair" to stop such wanton thoughtless abuse. |
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Post by patty on Aug 22, 2018 5:19:51 GMT
Curiously, (given your user name) you may be interested to know that "idiot" was originally a psychiatric term which described people with profound mental disability. An idiot was a person with a mental age below that of a three-year-old, an imbecile had a mental age between three and seven, and a moron had a mental age between seven and ten. All three terms became socially unacceptable but curiously "idiot" has now become simply a very mild perjorative which is not considered to be politically incorrect. My user name was chosen in (nearly) full knowledge of this. I suspect you remember my early days on here, whilst I had a mental age above the previous requirement I was certainly struggling to make my views heard/accepted/understood. I'm glad you stuck with us, there are a number of posters here and there who have disappeared who may of benefited by remaining. |
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Post by patty on Aug 22, 2018 5:24:49 GMT
I don't disagree. Just believe that somewhere along the line people using the terms start to understand the wider issues because others challenge their behavior. In many ways it's not the words but the thoughtlessness that comes with them that needs challenging. Curiously, (given your user name) you may be interested to know that "idiot" was originally a psychiatric term which described people with profound mental disability. An idiot was a person with a mental age below that of a three-year-old, an imbecile had a mental age between three and seven, and a moron had a mental age between seven and ten. All three terms became socially unacceptable but curiously "idiot" has now become simply a very mild perjorative which is not considered to be politically incorrect. I didn't know that..its very interesting reading how word meanings change over the years...I used an expression my gran used to use(not gonna repeat it now) whose meaning has changed to something somewhat offensive...son was shocked and demanded to know a)did I know what it meant? and b) who had I heard use it?..my answer he didn't believe, I found a really old dictionary that supported my interpretation... Its got to be challenging in schools growing up with a word being acceptable and then having to police that same word as unacceptable |
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 22, 2018 7:09:35 GMT
I don't disagree. Just believe that somewhere along the line people using the terms start to understand the wider issues because others challenge their behavior. In many ways it's not the words but the thoughtlessness that comes with them that needs challenging. But yet again, stopping the use of the word doesn't solve a thing. That is the whole point of the original clip. Outrage (real or faux) at the use of a word or phrase and screams to ban or prosecute the person who said it is A) replacing one form of persecution with another and B) counter productive because it does nothing about addressing the mindset. Have 'mindsets' ever been changed? I still tend to think the same way I always have. Some people here on Thunderboat have made me think twice, though, and tempered my usual response (which I have probably ended up just not forming). Kris has had a big influence upon me upon meeting him; I often think about his calmer attitude to life in general than mine. However, I still think I am a hard worker and that hard work will produce results somewhere down the line - if you look at how tidy our boat is, and how things mostly seem to work out well for us, it does seem that the time, effort and money we invest in ploughing our way forward produces results. Although I try to be more tolerant of others, when I come across yet another surly old Indian bitch at the sub-Post Office I continue to think Fuck 'Em! As for idiots, imbeciles and morons, we are surrounded by them. Nature's Way is, of course, to eradicate them (often by their own actions), but we seem to have them on the 'Protected Species' List and it may be that they get far too much special treatment when 'normal' humans are spat on or ignored by the Social Aunties. I am often bombarded by inane questions by the local village idiot at the café at the bus station in Kannus when I get my 45-minute afternoon break, and I just wish he would fall off his moped one day. Soon. |
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Post by kris on Aug 22, 2018 7:23:51 GMT
But yet again, stopping the use of the word doesn't solve a thing. That is the whole point of the original clip. Outrage (real or faux) at the use of a word or phrase and screams to ban or prosecute the person who said it is A) replacing one form of persecution with another and B) counter productive because it does nothing about addressing the mindset Kris has had a big influence upon me upon meeting him; I often think about his calmer attitude to life in general than mine. I didn't realise. |
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Post by bills on Aug 22, 2018 8:20:04 GMT
Kris has had a big influence upon me upon meeting him; I often think about his calmer attitude to life in general than mine. I didn't realise. Perhaps we should start calling you krist |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 8:38:59 GMT
He's not the Messiah.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 8:42:58 GMT
I struggle to grasp why some people cannot differentiate between personal traits and ethnicity. I have met miserable grumps of all nationalities and skin types, and have not seen any connection between their surliness and their ethnicity, and I suspect that may be true of all our experience. I look forward to being enlightened, if someone can provide the link. If we meet a liar, a misery, a sycophant, or a bigot, can't we just accept or even challenge that individual's traits, rather than instantly grouping into 'types' and adding to the problem. It's just lazy thinking, and like most people here I'm sure, I hate seeing this constant 'slimey indian' type comment. Of course every rule has an exception, and I'm quite willing to accept that historic narrow boaters are grumpy Only joking Mr Fincher! Rog |
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Post by kris on Aug 22, 2018 8:49:31 GMT
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Post by bills on Aug 22, 2018 8:58:45 GMT
Probably not. Turning water into wine seemed a simple process compared with turning poo into - well, something that isn't actually still poo... |
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