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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 19:35:58 GMT
The thing is that I quite liked the way the Irish run their waterways. It is kind of Pay As You Go system. You charge up a card at local shops and can use it to open locks, use facilities etc. The only problem is that we have limited electronically operated locks here so it would make it difficult to implement, but could work for facilities (until someone skims a card of course). Anyway, my guess is that the majority of IWA members live outside London. So as long as the occasional trip into London isn’t made difficult for them then I can’t see why the IWA should get involved. London has issues. why are some dragging these unique issues into the rest of the country? Interestingly the IWA are also in favour of reopening the now disused duplicate locks on the Regents section of the Grand Union. For heritage reasons. That could be an ideal opportunity to put in automation and introduce a payg system. Obviously this would have to include towpath mooring fees as well... Then let the existing locks fall into disrepair. For heritage reasons. It's traditional for locks to become derelict. Its happened before. I think manual locks have much more charm so I’d like to see them all maintained for those who use the canals now and into the future. Especially for those who look forward to cruising the network in the future. As I said, I like the Irish system but it’s not applicable here. Having said that, a PAYG system in local areas might work if the infrastructure and demand is suitable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 19:43:17 GMT
Many years ago I posted on this subject on CWDF saying that unless measures were taken to restrict the growth in boat dwellers in London, it would spiral out of control.
I was set upon by hordes of sandal wearers armed with sharp castigators and accused of every ism you can think of.
Well it's now too damn late !!! the time to control it was 7 or 8 years ago, now the only hope is a major change in the availability of the jobs in London and an increase in work well outside the M25
The London problem is that the ‘posh’ people need the services of those who can cook, clean, work in pubs, work in clubs, etc etc. If these people have nowhere to live, they won’t get the service they want. Yes, the answer is to make it attractive to spread out. Then again I hate London and I’m quite happy for it to stay where it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 20:01:15 GMT
Interestingly the IWA are also in favour of reopening the now disused duplicate locks on the Regents section of the Grand Union. For heritage reasons. That could be an ideal opportunity to put in automation and introduce a payg system. Obviously this would have to include towpath mooring fees as well... Then let the existing locks fall into disrepair. For heritage reasons. It's traditional for locks to become derelict. Its happened before. I think manual locks have much more charm so I’d like to see them all maintained for those who use the canals now and into the future. Especially for those who look forward to cruising the network in the future. As I said, I like the Irish system but it’s not applicable here. Having said that, a PAYG system in local areas might work if the infrastructure and demand is suitable. I think in London it could work. I regularly take one of my boats through the Regents. Not much traffic but a lot of static boats. Obviously. It would be criminal to automate the locks however individual opinions on these things are irrelevant. Its what the majority want which makes things happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 20:46:55 GMT
I think manual locks have much more charm so I’d like to see them all maintained for those who use the canals now and into the future. Especially for those who look forward to cruising the network in the future. As I said, I like the Irish system but it’s not applicable here. Having said that, a PAYG system in local areas might work if the infrastructure and demand is suitable. I think in London it could work. I regularly take one of my boats through the Regents. Not much traffic but a lot of static boats. Obviously. It would be criminal to automate the locks however individual opinions on these things are irrelevant. Its what the majority want which makes things happen. When did the majority get their way in recent times?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 20:49:32 GMT
On the 29th of March. Most of the people in this country did not vote for brexit
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Post by kris on Apr 10, 2019 21:05:30 GMT
Obviously there are a couple of people who are happy for the iwa to be setting out the agenda for the waterways.
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Post by nicktheboatman on Apr 10, 2019 21:22:57 GMT
The thing is that I quite liked the way the Irish run their waterways. It is kind of Pay As You Go system. You charge up a card at local shops and can use it to open locks, use facilities etc. The only problem is that we have limited electronically operated locks here so it would make it difficult to implement, but could work for facilities (until someone skims a card of course). Anyway, my guess is that the majority of IWA members live outside London. So as long as the occasional trip into London isn’t made difficult for them then I can’t see why the IWA should get involved. London has issues. why are some dragging these unique issues into the rest of the country? The boaters in Dublin are in distress because the fees are being hiked, they have no security of tenure and the same issues are playing out there as in England and Wales with CRT. They've come calling to ask "how do you deal with it over there, Waterways Ireland are all over us?"
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Post by thebfg on Apr 10, 2019 21:24:38 GMT
Pay as you go.
"Sorry I cant move the boat till the end of the month as I have no money till payday#
Following this as I reckon if they do anything in London it will quickly move to this end of the K&A
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 21:31:51 GMT
The thing is that I quite liked the way the Irish run their waterways. It is kind of Pay As You Go system. You charge up a card at local shops and can use it to open locks, use facilities etc. The only problem is that we have limited electronically operated locks here so it would make it difficult to implement, but could work for facilities (until someone skims a card of course). Anyway, my guess is that the majority of IWA members live outside London. So as long as the occasional trip into London isn’t made difficult for them then I can’t see why the IWA should get involved. London has issues. why are some dragging these unique issues into the rest of the country? The boaters in Dublin are in distress because the fees are being hiked, they have no security of tenure and the same issues are playing out there as in England and Wales with CRT. They've come calling to ask "how do you deal with it over there, Waterways Ireland are all over us?" Didn’t see any boats go through Dublin when I was there last. A pity really, they could make much more out of the navigation as we have done here. Anyway, I was talking about up North. Shannon etc
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Post by IainS on Apr 10, 2019 22:48:21 GMT
Many years ago I posted on this subject on CWDF saying that unless measures were taken to restrict the growth in boat dwellers in London, it would spiral out of control.
I was set upon by hordes of sandal wearers armed with sharp castigators and accused of every ism you can think of.
Well it's now too damn late !!! the time to control it was 7 or 8 years ago, now the only hope is a major change in the availability of the jobs in London and an increase in work well outside the M25
Brexit, perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 23:25:30 GMT
Someone forgot to weld the manhole back. One of the mutants has escaped.
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Post by kris on Apr 11, 2019 8:29:23 GMT
The boaters in Dublin are in distress because the fees are being hiked, they have no security of tenure and the same issues are playing out there as in England and Wales with CRT. They've come calling to ask "how do you deal with it over there, Waterways Ireland are all over us?" Didn’t see any boats go through Dublin when I was there last. A pity really, they could make much more out of the navigation as we have done here. Anyway, I was talking about up North. Shannon etc It's the same authority every where in the republic.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 11, 2019 8:42:52 GMT
Shall I write to the IWA and give them a telling off on your behalf, Kris?
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Post by kris on Apr 11, 2019 8:45:56 GMT
Shall I write to the IWA and give them a telling off on your behalf, Kris? Well you give them money every year
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 8:47:52 GMT
Didn’t see any boats go through Dublin when I was there last. A pity really, they could make much more out of the navigation as we have done here. Anyway, I was talking about up North. Shannon etc It's the same authority every where in the republic. I didn’t realise they just had the one authority for the whole of Ireland. We did some of the Shannon Erne about 10 years ago on what was a bit like a cross between a widebeam and small barge. .Very pretty up there and enjoyed the lake sections. The only way I could tell we had ventured into the North was when my mobile provider changed! When I visited Dublin a few years back I was quite surprised by of the lack of boats generally and thought that the river through Dublin was a bit bland really. Great place for pubs though. We went to the German Beer Fest there, great fun.
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