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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 4, 2019 16:26:11 GMT
Fortunately, as the older generation keep on debating the youngster just get on with their lives. ...under the yoke of the EU, with zero hours employment contracts, no chance of ever getting a council house, no more grants to help them go to university, and a good chance of getting stabbed in London.
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Post by lollygagger on Sept 4, 2019 16:37:52 GMT
I think if you cast your mind back you'll find what people voted for and what they got were two very different things and that goes for both parties and that coalition. It's pathetic to blame the electorate for the horrors that parliament have put us through. As the old saying goes - if voting made any difference it would be banned - but as it isn't banned, it's ignored - just look at Brexit. The big difference between young and old is the young don't have the experience to realise it doesn't really make much difference who is technically in power and that they'll be royally fucked by either of them.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 4, 2019 16:39:27 GMT
"I voted leave and I’m disappointed with the result not so much in regard to the EU but more to do with the total disregard to democracy. I’ve had a lot of relations who were in the military and fought overseas, Burma, Aden, NI, Falkland Islands. There are loads of people who are either ex- or possibly current military and have served our country in every way and democracy was fought for and kept safe by everyone of them. And the scum in The House of Commons in one fell swoop have thrown it in the bin."
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Post by Jim on Sept 4, 2019 16:40:40 GMT
Amazing ... we have to accept the total ignoring of the referendum result ... three years and no serious action to leave with ALL parliamentarians sat on their hands. Suddenly they think THEIR views are going to be ignored and they can muster into action ... even uniting amongst themselves to get 'no deal brexit' outlawed. Dispicably duplicitous arses the lot of them. Rog The referendum wasn't binding. Who was it told you it would be abided by? A tory with their mouth open! To quote Ken Clark "it was just an opinion poll". Whereas MP's have been looking after our interests democratically for a few hundred years. The system avoids mob rule, when the populace get infected by silly ideas promoted by little men with power lust.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 16:45:27 GMT
I think if you cast your mind back you'll find what people voted for and what they got were two very different things and that goes for both parties and that coalition. It's pathetic to blame the electorate for the horrors that parliament have put us through. As the old saying goes - if voting made any difference it would be banned - but as it isn't banned, it's ignored - just look at Brexit. The big difference between young and old is the young don't have the experience to realise it doesn't really make much difference who is technically in power and that they'll be royally fucked by either of them. I suppose in the end it will come down to how much the younger generation will tolerate from the elder. From the moment they leave uni they are saddled with an enormous amount of debt and little chance of owning a home. And, if it ever comes to anarchy, us old farts haven’t got a chance! At least they will have a record of the blame trail and those who supported the end of democracy. Let’s put it this way, as someone who supports democracy, I no longer feel safe.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 16:50:47 GMT
Says it all really. "Sheep armed with heat exchanger caused minor panic in field".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 16:57:07 GMT
Says it all really. "Sheep armed with heat exchanger caused minor panic in field". What was it I was saying about the redefinition of words? Fortunately the greek definition remains the same ‘rule by people’. Then again, it doesn’t say which people.
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Post by ianali on Sept 4, 2019 17:12:45 GMT
Fortunately, as the older generation keep on debating the youngster just get on with their lives. ...under the yoke of the EU, with zero hours employment contracts, no chance of ever getting a council house, no more grants to help them go to university, and a good chance of getting stabbed in London. That doesn’t describe either my children nor their friends. From what I have read here it’s not generally how other members would describe their offsprings livelihoods either.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 4, 2019 17:15:34 GMT
If the British public are too lazy to go and give their politicians a kick up the duff, then they deserve all the contempt ladled upon them.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 4, 2019 17:20:17 GMT
Amazing ... we have to accept the total ignoring of the referendum result ... three years and no serious action to leave with ALL parliamentarians sat on their hands. Suddenly they think THEIR views are going to be ignored and they can muster into action ... even uniting amongst themselves to get 'no deal brexit' outlawed. Dispicably duplicitous arses the lot of them. Rog The referendum wasn't binding. Who was it told you it would be abided by? A tory with their mouth open! To quote Ken Clark "it was just an opinion poll".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 17:22:39 GMT
If the British public are too lazy to go and give their politicians a kick up the duff, then they deserve all the contempt ladled upon them. Nothing stopping you..if you are still of British nationality.
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Post by ianali on Sept 4, 2019 17:24:43 GMT
I think if you cast your mind back you'll find what people voted for and what they got were two very different things and that goes for both parties and that coalition. It's pathetic to blame the electorate for the horrors that parliament have put us through. As the old saying goes - if voting made any difference it would be banned - but as it isn't banned, it's ignored - just look at Brexit. The big difference between young and old is the young don't have the experience to realise it doesn't really make much difference who is technically in power and that they'll be royally fucked by either of them. I believe the big difference between young and old is that the young just get on with life, the old gits just sit typing on forums moaning. This is obviously a generalisation, some of us grow old whilst remaining optimistic.
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Post by Jim on Sept 4, 2019 17:49:12 GMT
The referendum wasn't binding. Who was it told you it would be abided by? A tory with their mouth open! To quote Ken Clark "it was just an opinion poll". Of course, as I said, it turned out to be another tory lie.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 4, 2019 17:53:21 GMT
Of course, as I said, it turned out to be another tory lie. So you agree that the Government should implement what the people decided?
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Post by lollygagger on Sept 4, 2019 18:34:48 GMT
I think if you cast your mind back you'll find what people voted for and what they got were two very different things and that goes for both parties and that coalition. It's pathetic to blame the electorate for the horrors that parliament have put us through. As the old saying goes - if voting made any difference it would be banned - but as it isn't banned, it's ignored - just look at Brexit. The big difference between young and old is the young don't have the experience to realise it doesn't really make much difference who is technically in power and that they'll be royally fucked by either of them. I suppose in the end it will come down to how much the younger generation will tolerate from the elder. From the moment they leave uni they are saddled with an enormous amount of debt and little chance of owning a home. And, if it ever comes to anarchy, us old farts haven’t got a chance! At least they will have a record of the blame trail and those who supported the end of democracy. Let’s put it this way, as someone who supports democracy, I no longer feel safe. 1st past the post Party political Parliamentary democracy is a terrible thing IMO.
A political party can gain control of everybody's futures even when more people nationally have voted for a different party and/or a larger percentage of voters who definitely didn't want those barstewards who won to wield absolute power over their lives. The big sweeping changes the winning parties make more often than not never appeared in their manifestos. Promises made in those manifestos are routinely broken. Too much time is spent undoing things the previous party in charge did, and making unnecessarily large changes and commitments in order that they become prohibitively expensive or legally impossible to undo. The few hundred MPs who make up that overall majority are people who have been chosen or approved by a small central cadre of whichever party they think they have the best chance of succeeding with, or a local self serving party cadre towing the central cadre line. I wonder how many stand in their home areas and how many fostered out by their central cadres? One of my sister in laws worked tirelessly for New Labour when they were flavour of the time and now she's a conservative councillor. When asked how she squared that she said "there's no point working for the losers, I'm just doing what anyone with any sense does if they want to progress." I think she'd like to be an MP and sadly I believe her moral free view of political life is realistic and not untypical. When they get to parliament, they can say more or less what they like, but they must vote as they're told to by their party Central cadre. Democracy in action - MPs sometimes voting against their beliefs and often voting against the wishes of the majority of their constituants who I believe they are supposed to represent? Are we happy that whenever something that actually matters is put to the vote our local MPs put the wishes of their party central cadre ahead of their constituants? They don't have any choice, tow the line or F off, we'll get another one. Voting against your party whip is allowed when it will not effect the outcome either way of course but what's the point other than theatre? If we really must have this party political constituency-unrepresentative style of faux democracy, it would be a start if the number of number of MPs of each flavour was the same proportion as their national vote. It would still be sh1t though. I think the most irksome result of our system is the black and white choice of being governed by a gang of robber barons or a bunch of lefties stuck in the 70's. God help us.
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