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Post by kris on Jan 14, 2020 12:49:24 GMT
The electric cars are just a way for the motor industry to keep selling vechiles. The discussion we should be having is about stoping making vechilles for personal use.
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Post by Trina on Jan 14, 2020 12:55:14 GMT
There's more chance of me winning a beauty contest than that happening Kris.π
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Post by bodger on Jan 14, 2020 13:04:46 GMT
We just popped into the mini dealer to get a leaky TPMS tyre valve on Jeffβs Mini fixed. Itβs been leaking slowly for a while and tomorrow we are planning to drive the 425 miles down to the boat in it. Whilst waiting I noticed they are now offering an all electric Mini. Range something like 140 miles (on a good day with no heater on etc). So from Aberdeen we would make it to Dundee, but probably not to Glasgow, before having to get out and push. Or we can take Jeffβs petrol mini and get all the way there on one tank-full. I have heard that the Tesla network is fast becoming adequate and is proving to be satisfactory; the car's software will display several options advising where to do a series of rapid top-ups en route. Personally I would only want an electric car for trips about town, which for most private motorists is just fine - shopping, school run, etc., which probably represents (for them) 95% of their mileage. My daughter who lives in central London has just taken delivery of a BMW i3 which will be used for just those purposes, plus hubby driving across town to work on occasion, reserving her Volvo SUV for trips out of town. She can charge the car on her driveway, and her hubby has a charging point in the firm's car park.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 14, 2020 13:23:29 GMT
We just popped into the mini dealer to get a leaky TPMS tyre valve on Jeffβs Mini fixed. Itβs been leaking slowly for a while and tomorrow we are planning to drive the 425 miles down to the boat in it. Whilst waiting I noticed they are now offering an all electric Mini. Range something like 140 miles (on a good day with no heater on etc). So from Aberdeen we would make it to Dundee, but probably not to Glasgow, before having to get out and push. Or we can take Jeffβs petrol mini and get all the way there on one tank-full. I have heard that the Tesla network is fast becoming adequate and is proving to be satisfactory; the car's software will display several options advising where to do a series of rapid top-ups en route. Personally I would only want an electric car for trips about town, which for most private motorists is just fine - shopping, school run, etc., which probably represents (for them) 95% of their mileage. My daughter who lives in central London has just taken delivery of a BMW i3 which will be used for just those purposes, plus hubby driving across town to work on occasion, reserving her Volvo SUV for trips out of town. She can charge the car on her driveway, and her hubby has a charging point in the firm's car park. Yes if the car is exclusively used for short journeys around town then electric is ideal. But most people also want to make occasional longer journeys, and many people canβt afford to have a separate vehicle for long vs short journeys. And of course with Londonβs great public transport infrastructure, it barely makes any sense to have a car in that city. But unfortunately most other parts of the U.K. donβt have adequate public transport. Which of course if you are a Londoner isnβt an issue, because you canβt conceive of any civilisation outside the M25.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 14, 2020 13:25:25 GMT
The electric cars are just a way for the motor industry to keep selling vechiles. The discussion we should be having is about stoping making vechilles for personal use. young, fit people can easily use public transport where it exists. Supplemented by lots of walking to and from the PT locations of course. Older, infirm, disabled people canβt.
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Post by peterboat on Jan 14, 2020 13:28:33 GMT
Hasnt anybody noticed that nearly every car ad is for electric cars? also this cleaning up of cars starts this year with new rules for cars and pollution, the are draconian and will effectively kill large engined cars. Its basically 95 grams of carbon emitted for every Km traveled have a peruse ec.europa.eu/ec.europa.eu βΊ clima βΊ policies βΊ transport βΊ vehicles βΊ regulation_en Post-2020 CO2 emission performance standards for cars and ... ec.europa.eu/On 17 April 2019, the European Parliament and the Council adopted Regulation (EU) 2019/631 setting CO2 emission performance standards for new ...
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Post by kris on Jan 14, 2020 13:29:12 GMT
The electric cars are just a way for the motor industry to keep selling vechiles. The discussion we should be having is about stoping making vechilles for personal use. young, fit people can easily use public transport where it exists. Supplemented by lots of walking to and from the PT locations of course. Older, infirm, disabled people canβt. so you have a mini bus to come and collect them. The era of personal transport is coming to an end. We need to stop making things, not work out how we can keep consuming resources at the insane rate we do at the moment.
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Post by peterboat on Jan 14, 2020 13:35:07 GMT
I have heard that the Tesla network is fast becoming adequate and is proving to be satisfactory; the car's software will display several options advising where to do a series of rapid top-ups en route. Personally I would only want an electric car for trips about town, which for most private motorists is just fine - shopping, school run, etc., which probably represents (for them) 95% of their mileage. My daughter who lives in central London has just taken delivery of a BMW i3 which will be used for just those purposes, plus hubby driving across town to work on occasion, reserving her Volvo SUV for trips out of town. She can charge the car on her driveway, and her hubby has a charging point in the firm's car park. Yes if the car is exclusively used for short journeys around town then electric is ideal. But most people also want to make occasional longer journeys, and many people canβt afford to have a separate vehicle for long vs short journeys. And of course with Londonβs great public transport infrastructure, it barely makes any sense to have a car in that city. But unfortunately most other parts of the U.K. donβt have adequate public transport. Which of course if you are a Londoner isnβt an issue, because you canβt conceive of any civilisation outside the M25. Its all moving on rapidly cars are getting that 300 mile range for electric which is enough, Teslas better that already of course its no good us saying it cant work because we dont want it to we have to make it work. Kris is wrong about the car industry they dont want to go electric but demand and legislation is making them, as I said from this year the whip is out and car makers will comply or pay huge fines
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 14, 2020 13:36:32 GMT
I have heard that the Tesla network is fast becoming adequate and is proving to be satisfactory; the car's software will display several options advising where to do a series of rapid top-ups en route. Personally I would only want an electric car for trips about town, which for most private motorists is just fine - shopping, school run, etc., which probably represents (for them) 95% of their mileage. My daughter who lives in central London has just taken delivery of a BMW i3 which will be used for just those purposes, plus hubby driving across town to work on occasion, reserving her Volvo SUV for trips out of town. She can charge the car on her driveway, and her hubby has a charging point in the firm's car park. Yes if the car is exclusively used for short journeys around town then electric is ideal. But most people also want to make occasional longer journeys, and many people canβt afford to have a separate vehicle for long vs short journeys. I suppose the answer would be a drop and swap battery system with demountable batteries which can be changed without manual intervention.
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Post by peterboat on Jan 14, 2020 13:45:04 GMT
Yes if the car is exclusively used for short journeys around town then electric is ideal. But most people also want to make occasional longer journeys, and many people canβt afford to have a separate vehicle for long vs short journeys. I suppose the answer would be a drop and swap battery system with demountable batteries which can be changed without manual intervention. Renault tried it and failed on the Renault florence I think, they charge fast enough anyway its just people dont actually do enough reading on the subject first
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 14, 2020 13:52:50 GMT
I suppose the answer would be a drop and swap battery system with demountable batteries which can be changed without manual intervention. Renault tried it and failed on the Renault florence I think, they charge fast enough anyway its just people dont actually do enough reading on the subject first In fairness, Renault and electrics has never been a particularly happy marriage.
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Post by kris on Jan 14, 2020 13:53:50 GMT
If anybody was serious about sorting out air pollution they would be banning personal transport in cities and making the PT electric. But Iβve not heard anyone suggest this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 13:57:57 GMT
If anybody was serious about sorting out air pollution they would be banning personal transport in cities and making the PT electric. But Iβve not heard anyone suggest this. There's this really mad place called London, maybe you've heard of it.
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Post by kris on Jan 14, 2020 14:00:38 GMT
If anybody was serious about sorting out air pollution they would be banning personal transport in cities and making the PT electric. But Iβve not heard anyone suggest this. There's this really mad place called London, maybe you've heard of it. that has one of the best public transport systems in the country. Ban personal transport in the centre, there you go you have more than halved air pollution.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 14:07:18 GMT
There's this really mad place called London, maybe you've heard of it. that has one of the best public transport systems in the country. Ban personal transport in the centre, there you go you have more than halved air pollution. Believe me Kris, that's the aim. Won't be too much longer now. There's a case pending where a mother is alleging 'they' are responsible for the premature death of her child through air pollution. If she wins, which certainly seems possible, then that will prove to be a major catalyst.
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