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Post by faffer on Nov 18, 2016 16:47:56 GMT
I am looking at which water heater to get, i was going for the Morco F11EL but these need an inverter so the spec says, dont realy want to buy and inverter aswell. What other water heaters do you guys use for a shower and two taps. Cant seem to find many that will for fine the BSS specs. I have a pump, thanks gazza but it is 7lpm or i can use a 14lpm Gulper with an inline pressure switch.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 18, 2016 16:59:35 GMT
What other water heaters do you guys use for a shower and two taps. A BMC 1.5 diesel engine.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 17:06:19 GMT
If its instant gas then I have a Morco something-something not sure what. Uses no elastic trickery and it was already on the boat. BSS seems happy with it. Its really good. Also have engine, generator, diesel heater and 240v hot water via a tank but the gas is on demand and doesn't go cold as long as there is gas in the bottle I had a Paloma once but the BSS is funny about retro fitting them so not sure if its better to do it after the test ? * * I didn't suggest that
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Post by faffer on Nov 18, 2016 17:12:53 GMT
What other water heaters do you guys use for a shower and two taps. A BMC 1.5 diesel engine. Bit late for that as i have an outboard If its instant gas then I have a Morco something-something not sure what. Uses no elastic trickery and it was already on the boat. BSS seems happy with it. Its really good. Also have engine, generator, diesel heater and 240v hot water via a tank but the gas is on demand and doesn't go cold as long as there is gas in the bottle I had a Paloma once but the BSS is funny about retro fitting them so not sure if its better to do it after the test ? * * I didn't suggest that Some old Morco are still used as in my last boat, but i believe newer regs came in. Cant remember the old ones but all i know is the only Morco now i can fit is the F11EL, sods law as it is near twice the price of the other Morco i was going to fit. And i will keep sshhh about **
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Post by faffer on Nov 18, 2016 18:21:51 GMT
Just seen that i can get a 100w inverter cheap, well around £30 which i can cope with, didnt think they were that cheap, so the Shurflow will do the job and the Gulper i will see if i can wire it up to three float switch`s and the shower waste.
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Post by Jim on Nov 18, 2016 20:52:23 GMT
Oo er! Anyone got anymore info on fitting a second hand paloma, a later square case model? I've a friend whose fitted one. 😘
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Post by JohnV on Nov 18, 2016 21:22:51 GMT
I am looking at which water heater to get, i was going for the Morco F11EL but these need an inverter so the spec says, dont realy want to buy and inverter aswell. What other water heaters do you guys use for a shower and two taps. Cant seem to find many that will for fine the BSS specs. I have a pump, thanks gazza but it is 7lpm or i can use a 14lpm Gulper with an inline pressure switch. On my yoghurt pot I have a Propex Malaga 4 waterheater. It is a boat approved unit but there are limitations in where it can be fitted (mine is fitted high up in the cabin, in a cupboard with the exhaust on the cabin side above deck line) They are quite expensive but I picked mine up cheaply from a caravan that had been in an accident. I just had to buy a new cover for the balanced flue.
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Post by faffer on Nov 19, 2016 8:54:34 GMT
I am looking at which water heater to get, i was going for the Morco F11EL but these need an inverter so the spec says, dont realy want to buy and inverter aswell. What other water heaters do you guys use for a shower and two taps. Cant seem to find many that will for fine the BSS specs. I have a pump, thanks gazza but it is 7lpm or i can use a 14lpm Gulper with an inline pressure switch. On my yoghurt pot I have a Propex Malaga 4 waterheater. It is a boat approved unit but there are limitations in where it can be fitted (mine is fitted high up in the cabin, in a cupboard with the exhaust on the cabin side above deck line) They are quite expensive but I picked mine up cheaply from a caravan that had been in an accident. I just had to buy a new cover for the balanced flue. Just had a look at them, cant find the Malaga 4 unless its an older model, the ones on Propex are more for campers and water storage etc. Think it will be best to just stick with the Morco, not cheap either at near £500, seems best and all i need it to do.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 19, 2016 9:24:18 GMT
Just been on line looking and it has now been replaced by the Malaga 5 The Malaga stores about 13 litres of very hot water which after mixing to a non scalding temperature is plenty for a shower, It heats up again quite quickly but even before it heats up the tank full it supplies a small flow of very hot water directly. I have found it miserly on it's gas and electric consumption (12v) I put it on soon as I get onboard and it stays on 24/7 while I am there. Mine is installed in a room sealed cabinet venting directly through the cabin side. www.jacksonsleisure.com/caravan-and-camping/heating/water-heaters/propex-malaga-5e-electric-lpg-gas-water-storage-heater-updated-4e/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 9:25:41 GMT
That's interesting I didn't realise propex gear would be allowed on boats.
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Post by smileypete on Nov 19, 2016 9:28:49 GMT
Usual non electric one is Morco D61E £160ish + bits, bear in though that your shower may be rather feeble in winter!
OTOH would have thought including the costs of a pro install would reduce the gap between D61E and F11.
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Post by smileypete on Nov 19, 2016 9:39:04 GMT
Oo er! Anyone got anymore info on fitting a second hand paloma, a later square case model? I've a friend whose fitted one. 😘 OK I'll bite... First off, AFIAK you can legally DIY gas on non commercial boats, but in the eyes of the law (GSIUR) to paraphrase - it must be 'not for reward' and you need to be as competent as a registered gas bod should be.Sorry to put a downer on it, but for most people who hope to DIY it should be far safer to get a reputable registered gas bod in. For a proper install it would probably work out cheaper too; time is money to most people and acquiring all the necessary know how for a one off job will likely take considerable time. Anyway got that out of the way, are you hoping to fit it to your own boat? The question isn't clear...
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Post by Jim on Nov 19, 2016 10:19:14 GMT
Oo er! Anyone got anymore info on fitting a second hand paloma, a later square case model? I've a friend whose fitted one. 😘 OK I'll bite... First off, AFIAK you can legally DIY gas on non commercial boats, but in the eyes of the law (GSIUR) to paraphrase - it must be 'not for reward' and you need to be as competent as a registered gas bod should be.Sorry to put a downer on it, but for most people who hope to DIY it should be far safer to get a reputable registered gas bod in. For a proper install it would probably work out cheaper too; time is money to most people and acquiring all the necessary know how for a one off job will likely take considerable time. Anyway got that out of the way, are you hoping to fit it to your own boat? The question isn't clear... The boiler is already fitted, checked with manometer, as well as having bubble tester fitted. Yes I'm competent, years of plumbing, tho not domestic gas, obviously. Fitted out my last boat too, similar system, hob, oven and paloma. All with flame failure. All with shut off taps. But my question wasn't answered, it was implied that the paloma would fail Bss, just because it's an older paloma. That is my only concern, the fit out is fine, though I do understand your concerns.
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Post by smileypete on Nov 19, 2016 10:34:01 GMT
The boiler is already fitted, checked with manometer, as well as having bubble tester fitted. Yes I'm competent, years of plumbing, tho not domestic gas, obviously. Fitted out my last boat too, similar system, hob, oven and paloma. All with flame failure. All with shut off taps. But my question wasn't answered, it was implied that the paloma would fail Bss, just because it's an older paloma. That is my only concern, the fit out is fine, though I do understand your concerns. Ah, OK then, Mr Google comes up with the following: www.boatsafetyscheme.org/boat-examination/non-private-boats/part-8-appliances,-flueing-ventilation/ There is a growing recognition of the risks associated with the use of non room-sealed gas appliances when used in confined spaces such as boats. These risks include poisoning and suffocation to individuals on board from improperly flued and ventilated appliances. So new LPG appliances must be room sealed, except where room-sealing is not physically possible, i.e. cooking appliances. There is one specific exception to this rule and this is for LPG instantaneous water heaters. Based on the good previous safety record of these particular appliances, and until such a time as a room-sealed direct replacement becomes easily available, British Waterways and the Environment Agency accept the continued installation of instantaneous water heaters on private boats. If you are changing your non-room sealed instantaneous water heater it's strongly recommended that you consider room sealed alternatives.So looks like it's OK, I'd also have at least a couple of decent CO alarms on board one with a digital readout.
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Post by Jim on Nov 19, 2016 12:48:16 GMT
The boiler is already fitted, checked with manometer, as well as having bubble tester fitted. Yes I'm competent, years of plumbing, tho not domestic gas, obviously. Fitted out my last boat too, similar system, hob, oven and paloma. All with flame failure. All with shut off taps. But my question wasn't answered, it was implied that the paloma would fail Bss, just because it's an older paloma. That is my only concern, the fit out is fine, though I do understand your concerns. Ah, OK then, Mr Google comes up with the following: www.boatsafetyscheme.org/boat-examination/non-private-boats/part-8-appliances,-flueing-ventilation/ There is a growing recognition of the risks associated with the use of non room-sealed gas appliances when used in confined spaces such as boats. These risks include poisoning and suffocation to individuals on board from improperly flued and ventilated appliances. So new LPG appliances must be room sealed, except where room-sealing is not physically possible, i.e. cooking appliances. There is one specific exception to this rule and this is for LPG instantaneous water heaters. Based on the good previous safety record of these particular appliances, and until such a time as a room-sealed direct replacement becomes easily available, British Waterways and the Environment Agency accept the continued installation of instantaneous water heaters on private boats. If you are changing your non-room sealed instantaneous water heater it's strongly recommended that you consider room sealed alternatives.So looks like it's OK, I'd also have at least a couple of decent CO alarms on board one with a digital readout. Thanks for that, phew! Should be OK then. I have 2 alarms, one a smoke/co combined, the other a Co at seated head level near the seats/bed. I suppose the rationale for allowing non room sealed water heaters is that they only run intermittently, max 10 mins when having a shower, generally a couple of minutes when washing up etc. So there's no time for a dangerous build up of co.
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