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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 6:58:03 GMT
Mindful of what we post please,but what is happening with Cliff Richard and these investigations? What is going on here that this man has spent two years awaiting our old friends again South Yorkshire Police to file charges against him or indeed exonerate him from all wrongdoing. I quote South Yorkshire Police of course as the original Alleged Groping Offence is said to have allegedly happened at a Christian Rally in Sheffield. It makes me wonder what possible subterfuge is going on here?The last statement from this by now discredited force is that other allegations have been made,are they any more credible than the first? Its perhaps ironic that someone who has relied on the media to advance his career now finds himself largely ignored and left with only an ex catholic priest for company.Ex Catholic Priest,imagine that on your CV, where are you going with that one? But seriously this delay is without precedent, are they hoping he dies and solves the problem for them ? Should there be a statute of time on these things ? or maybe you will tell me that two years is not unusual in these sorts of cases ? I can't help but feel sorry for the guy to be honest,it must be like serving a prison sentence in any case.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 7:02:03 GMT
I can see Delta9 in a tizzy over the subject matter,so please lets challenge ourselves to have a good session mindful of all our obligations to each other and of course the good ship Thunderboat.
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Post by Delta9 on Apr 27, 2016 7:17:44 GMT
The whole celebrity pedo witch hunt thing is pretty ridiculous. There should be some sort of statute of limitations on charging people for offences like pretty much every other civilised country has. I don't think that you can prove anything 'beyond all reasonable doubt' after such a long time has elapsed. The Cliff case was particularly bad with the BBC seemingly informed of the raid on his house before it happened.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 27, 2016 7:25:25 GMT
I met Sir Cliff on a couple of occasions. As just a member of the road crew, you get to see the "other side" of a lot of celebrities but I just met a thoroughly nice man. Both my ex and several acquaintances worked with him including tours, not one has a bad word to say about him. (apart from musical differences !!). I feel very sorry for him and the position he has been left in.
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Post by ammodels on Apr 27, 2016 7:51:29 GMT
yes, poor old Kitty. Im sure he got the cream at Dolphin House though.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 27, 2016 8:39:06 GMT
Maybe they want to be sure of everything before either going to court or not. They have had egg on their face in the past. Lets say they dont bother and he dies then like Saville hundreds come forward ambulance chasers in some cases true in others, I just want it to be right rather than millions wasted
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 9:18:13 GMT
yes, poor old Kitty. Im sure he got the cream at Dolphin House though. Yeah that was a bit of a mystery too,I don't know what Peter is saying regarding the importance of getting things right but you would think if they have the initial allegation then subsequent ones,that somewhere in all of that there would be something that wouldn't take two years to put before a court.I am more uncomfortable about the time delay than anything else because in turn that encourages conspiracist theories which can be as toxic as proven charges.
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Post by ammodels on Apr 27, 2016 10:33:53 GMT
Without wanting to get into the realms of conspiracy theories we have just seen in the Hillsborough inquest how freemasonry influenced decisions made and how the whole case was handled. I dont think it is beyond the realms of possibility that everything we see with regards to CSA enquiries with the rich and famous is being filtered through those same forces. The only ones we have seen prosecuted have been non masons and non influentially connected people who havent got the necessary handshakes to evade prosecution unlike some others.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 27, 2016 14:42:02 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 27, 2016 14:47:10 GMT
iconoclast - have made a note to read that as my book-at-bedtime this evening. Still removing stones from Winter tyres (2 hours per tyre).
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Post by peterboat on Apr 27, 2016 15:35:38 GMT
Interesting and troubling reading! I wasnt joking about my screw event so I could easily have been jailed for consenting sex
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 15:49:58 GMT
Rolf Harris has already been charged with another pile of offences surely all these people who as far as we know have never met can't be just making allegations for the sake of it,can they?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 27, 2016 17:17:58 GMT
Rolf Harris has already been charged with another pile of offences surely all these people who as far as we know have never met can't be just making allegations for the sake of it,can they? The simple answer is that I don't know, I suppose we will have to wait until the trial to see what evidence is presented. If the article I linked to can be taken in good faith, then I would say that there was reasonable doubt in all four cases. While I agree that sexual assault is a serious crime, I do not think there is any crime so serious that an accusation can be considered sufficient on its own to secure a conviction. The offences may indeed have happened, but equally we should never forget the mass insanity which occurred during the Salem Witch Trials.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 19:33:42 GMT
Rolf Harris has already been charged with another pile of offences surely all these people who as far as we know have never met can't be just making allegations for the sake of it,can they? The simple answer is that I don't know, I suppose we will have to wait until the trial to see what evidence is presented. If the article I linked to can be taken in good faith, then I would say that there was reasonable doubt in all four cases. While I agree that sexual assault is a serious crime, I do not think there is any crime so serious that an accusation can be considered sufficient on its own to secure a conviction. The offences may indeed have happened, but equally we should never forget the mass insanity which occurred during the Salem Witch Trials. Well you are now touching on perhaps the most important issue and that is the way how Police investigate these offences,perhaps the most controversial of them all is the crime of Rape where the Police start from the position of believing the accuser which I guess is unprecedented in criminal investigation.
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Post by ammodels on Apr 27, 2016 19:35:00 GMT
not always though as we saw in the Savile case for all too long.
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