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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 27, 2016 23:08:12 GMT
not always though as we saw in the Savile case for all too long. Maybe now though the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction. The thought of a financial windfall can do strange things to a person struggling through straitened times.
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Post by Saltysplash on Apr 28, 2016 6:33:14 GMT
Roger Graef's documentary 'Police' back in the early 80's shocked the British Public when they witnessed Police interviewing an alleged rape victim and giving her a hard time suggesting to her that she was lying and breaking her down to tears.
Since then the investigation of rape and sexual offences did an about turn and quite rightly these alleged victims were treated with respect, concern and dignity. Public Opinion brought about this change.
It would appear that while the alleged victim is now given every concern it has indeed gone too far one way and the victims statement is actually being treated as Gospel instead of correct investigation to prove either an offence did or did not occur. I suggest again Public Opinion has again brought this about due to the Saville revelations that forces are now too scared to dismiss even the most fanciful of allegations. Operation Midland being a prime example.
Its about time Police got back to doing proper investigations instead of politically led and public emotional headlining.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 10:51:15 GMT
not always though as we saw in the Savile case for all too long. I think Saville is a case of the Establishment closing ranks,whether that means many of them were at the same thing (Dolphin Square) or were so spineless that his Patronage by Prince Charles and Thatcher amongst others made them think it was in nobodies interest to expose him.I suspect the latter.What do we think of Savilles abilities in evading exposure for that length of time and could he have achieved that simply by his own guile?
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Post by journeyperson on Apr 28, 2016 10:57:00 GMT
not always though as we saw in the Savile case for all too long. I think Saville is a case of the Establishment closing ranks,whether that means many of them were at the same thing (Dolphin Square) or were so spineless that his Patronage by Prince Charles and Thatcher amongst others made them think it was in nobodies interest to expose him.I suspect the latter.What do we think of Savilles abilities in evading exposure for that length of time and could he have achieved that simply by his own guile? Whilst Savile was still alive Louis Theroux did a really good documentary in which he followed Savile around, interviewed him at length and visited his flat. It was really creepy and Theroux tried his damnest to expose the creepiness of the guy. I wish the BBC would show it again in the light of all the revelations.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 11:36:26 GMT
I think Saville is a case of the Establishment closing ranks,whether that means many of them were at the same thing (Dolphin Square) or were so spineless that his Patronage by Prince Charles and Thatcher amongst others made them think it was in nobodies interest to expose him.I suspect the latter.What do we think of Savilles abilities in evading exposure for that length of time and could he have achieved that simply by his own guile? Whilst Savile was still alive Louis Theroux did a really good documentary in which he followed Savile around, interviewed him at length and visited his flat. It was really creepy and Theroux tried his damnest to expose the creepiness of the guy. I wish the BBC would show it again in the light of all the revelations. Thats my point,we all kinda knew as soon as we saw him up close but what about my points above?
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Post by journeyperson on Apr 28, 2016 11:50:27 GMT
I can't remember who said it originally: "What a man does in the privacy of his own attic is his business". I think that was society's attitude for a long time. People turned a blind eye to what were seen as fairly harmless, if illegal and immoral activities. If you were caught red-handed or if it was a public nuisance you were prosecuted.
It's hard to know how many of the abused people have truly suffered psychological damage from their experiences and how many are making the most of the situation now, but vulnerable people have to be protected from predators.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 12:17:39 GMT
I can't remember who said it originally: "What a man does in the privacy of his own attic is his business". I think that was society's attitude for a long time. People turned a blind eye to what were seen as fairly harmless, if illegal and immoral activities. If you were caught red-handed or if it was a public nuisance you were prosecuted. It's hard to know how many of the abused people have truly suffered psychological damage from their experiences and how many are making the most of the situation now, but vulnerable people have to be protected from predators. What allowed Saville to operate for that length of time? His own guile ? Societys Acquiesce ? A mixture of both ? His offending has been exaggerated ?
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 28, 2016 16:42:07 GMT
-just to let iconoclast know I've gone through the article which I thought was well written. It seems to me that Rolf's biggest crime was getting involved with women. "A woman scorned" - and all that! The article is less than a couple of years old, so this latest bit of 'living-fossil-and-nooky' hadn't risen then: ("To many of us such a large age gap seems unnatural, but it is certainly not unusual for famous older men to have relationships with younger women:") Attachment Deleted
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 28, 2016 16:51:11 GMT
Let's take the piss out of Rupe for a moment: She thought he said "Would you BURY me?" Lupert strikes back: Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 17:42:45 GMT
-just to let iconoclast know I've gone through the article which I thought was well written. It seems to me that Rolf's biggest crime was getting involved with women. "A woman scorned" - and all that! The article is less than a couple of years old, so this latest bit of 'living-fossil-and-nooky' hadn't risen then: ("To many of us such a large age gap seems unnatural, but it is certainly not unusual for famous older men to have relationships with younger women:") I think Rolf Harris is where he belongs and as regards age gap I think its up to those involved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 17:44:54 GMT
Let's take the piss out of Rupe for a moment: She thought he said "Would you BURY me?" Lupert strikes back: Why don't you take your post to the PIT where it belongs instead of destroying the thread
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 17:48:39 GMT
Let's take the piss out of Rupe for a moment: She thought he said "Would you BURY me?" Lupert strikes back: Its an absolute disgrace you feel you can rampage through active threads talking off topic bollocks,what are you trying to achieve ?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 28, 2016 17:50:34 GMT
I think Rolf Harris is where he belongs and as regards age gap I think its up to those involved. Did you even read the link we are discussing?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 17:56:14 GMT
Of course I read it,it delved into the case on a charge by charge basis,so what?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 28, 2016 18:02:10 GMT
So I'm wondering in what way you think off-topic posts are being made?
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