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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 11:39:33 GMT
Somewhere in a quiet corner of pub, in the not too distant future, friends of mods will gather to draw up a list of people they're going to ban next.
And top of that list will be.....
don't tell them your name goodgirl.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 11:40:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 12:05:38 GMT
and now I'm off to pour some bleach into my eyes. Won't that make your Penis hurt?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 2, 2017 14:33:44 GMT
Time to say goodbye and thanks for all the hard work to Sam, he'll be back next month, meanwhile my Mum will be visiting when I'm in Skipton in a fortnight's time but for now I'm single handing again, been told the locks get easier on the next stretch, and for now I'm going downhill which I always find easier than uphill.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 15:15:02 GMT
Get your mum to sign up for an account on CWDF, give the tree simian something to whine about for a second time 👍👍😇
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Post by Jim on Apr 2, 2017 18:01:38 GMT
Just got the following reply from RCR
Dear Mr Riley
Although a fouled prop is not a breakdown in the true sense of a mechanical/electrical failure, we always attend to see if we can assist, and over 50% of the time we are successful. A fouled prop is actually something that is covered by your vessel insurance (unless you are 3rd party only) and therefore if we are unable to resolve we advise customers at this point to raise a claim with their insurance. In this case the fouling was so bad that it was deemed that this needed to either be lifted out, divers attend or dry docked. Unfortunately there are very few locations in this area to take a boat to, and moving it with the mattress attached would have presented problems.
The customer had suggested using the lock sill and emptying the lock to get access, but could not do this for two reasons. 1) CRT would not agree to it, 2) it could damage the vessel. Based on this divers were the best option and we worked in the background after discussing options with the customer to arrange this.
We had divers arranged to attend today, but in the mean time the customer had removed the mattress using the lock as per his suggestion. We have touched base with him and he is happy with the support and reasons why we opted to bring in divers, and could not do this for him.
In regards to your question regarding equipment, most of our engineers have dry suits, and tools, however we also have to take in to consideration health and safety as using sharp instruments under water with reduced movement and dulled senses due to the temperature of the water has resulted in many engineers injuring themselves and requiring hospital treatment. Every situation is different, and it does depend on the access, location of the boat, depth of the water, water temperature, and the type of fouling, ( razor wire, mattresses are the worst as each time you cut though the wire it can spring and cause laceration) and type of vessel. We can also not always ensure that contractors have the same access to equipment.
As detailed above, we never leave a customer without options, there are limitations to the service and we try to be flexible with the solutions we can provide and assist customers to obtain further assistance where needed.
I hope this reassures you and clarifies your membership cover.
Regards
Stephanie
I replied with thanks, and thanks for crediting snot gobbler. I questioned the level of equipment carried by the engineer, and where a length of 4x2 and a pick axe might be on the list of recommended equipment for fixing boats. I thought the prop was cleared in the short pound, not the lock.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 2, 2017 18:05:54 GMT
I hope you're not neglecting the beastie under the deckboards - engine oil change, oil filter, gearbox oil, alternator belt possible renewal... Shire Cruisers at Sowerby Bridge will be your next chance for a 'decent overhaul'. The Wetherspoons at SB is a nice hole for breakfast, and a walk from SB uphill to the Wainhouse Tower and the Big 6 pub close by rewards with views. At Brighouse could be safer to leave boat in the basin, just before the lock into the River Calder, rather than outside Sainsbury's as that's where kids have untied boats. Sowerby Bridge Wharf below.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 2, 2017 18:17:45 GMT
EDIT- re Jim's post.
All very well, but what got me was the RCR engineer standing with his hands in his pockets, watching myself and Sam struggling to bow-haul Desiree to the lock with the mattress dragging along the bottom and saying "Eeh, I wish there was something more I could do to help". As Sam said today "If he had only one talent it would be that the fat cunt could have been useful for helping to drag a boat for five minutes"
In the end, we cleared the prop with a hacksaw, which a helpful local gave us (a 60 minute walk for him to get it from his shed) in around 45 minutes after spending 45 minutes draining the pound. The engineer obviously just wanted to get off home, and presumably was paid simply for attending. Obviously he didn't think a hacksaw would be a useful item to add to his prop-clearing kit of a sledgehammer, a pickaxe and a length of 4x2.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 2, 2017 18:35:49 GMT
I hope you're not neglecting the beastie under the deckboards - engine oil change, oil filter, gearbox oil, alternator belt possible renewal... All done before I set off, about 80 engine hours ago including new alternator belt which I've re-tensioned three times since fitting. I have engine oil, transmission oil and all filters on board and will do a full service at Skipton, although I will change the gearbox fluid while I'm here due to the fouling. I check the oil levels and do an inspection every 20 hours. I have a near-fetish love for the greasy bits beneath the boards, I have changed the engine oil and filter eight times in two-and-a-half years, the gearbox oil at least four times, and the alternator belt about the same.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 2, 2017 18:43:04 GMT
As to Jim's post above: Credit where credit's due: if I were RCR I would have told anyone else than the member poking their nose in to Bog Off However: "Although a fouled prop is not a breakdown in the true sense of a mechanical/electrical failure" - yet in their booklet they just state "propulsion". Yes, technically it's not a propulsion 'failure' but the propulsion IS jammed and their name does include the word 'Rescue'. "Based on this divers were the best option and we worked in the background after discussing options with the customer to arrange this. We had divers arranged to attend today..." this we did not know. did we? At least they replied, so roses to them. Unlike the Manchester Evening News and the Rochdale Chronicle in whose general direction I fart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 18:51:20 GMT
Did you cill the boat? I thought you simply drained a short pound rather than using the cill. Might be worth correcting RCR as they apparently said this "The customer had suggested using the lock sill and emptying the lock to get access, but could not do this for two reasons. 1) CRT would not agree to it, 2) it could damage the vessel. Based on this divers were the best option and we worked in the background after discussing options with the customer to arrange this. We had divers arranged to attend today, but in the mean time the customer had removed the mattress using the lock as per his suggestion." ... Its really cool that a local went to get their hacksaw for you. Thats the sort of thing I really like a lot
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 2, 2017 19:03:39 GMT
It is indeed cill, and not sill.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 2, 2017 19:08:38 GMT
However: "Although a fouled prop is not a breakdown in the true sense of a mechanical/electrical failure" - yet in their booklet they just state "propulsion". Yes, technically it's not a propulsion 'failure' but the propulsion IS jammed and their name does include the word 'Rescue'. "Based on this divers were the best option and we worked in the background after discussing options with the customer to arrange this. We had divers arranged to attend today..." this we did not know. did we? RCR did talk about sending divers and said that my primary insurance policy *might* cover the cost, and I phoned Towergate who promised to get back to me the following morning, but didn't so they obviously weren't enthusiastic about it. But I've never heard of a narrowboat prop having to be cleared by divers anyway. I've only had to call out RCR once before in over 2,000 miles of canal cruising (and that was because I needed non-usual spare parts which I had no chance of obtaining due to my extreme rural location) and the engineer was excellent. On this occasion, as soon as the engineer got out of his pick-up truck I said to my boy "He won't do anything to help us". The RCR office staff themselves were extremely helpful, it was their "couldn't give a fuck, I just want to get home" subcontractor who was the weak link in the chain. Sam is going to write a full report of the experience and send it to one of the canal magazines, it was him I felt sorry for, he was terrified about the feral youth who were threatening us, if there is one thing I would hope for it is that CRT improve this section of the Rochdale Canal. When I met fellow Thunderboater Jim Riley yesterday he said it's a chicken and egg situation. CRT won't do work on it because very few boaters use it, boaters don't use it because of the poor state of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 19:08:54 GMT
It is indeed cill, and not sill. Yes but did he cill the boat? I think not but RCR appear to have claimed he did. I guess draining the pound is the same thing to clueless people.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 2, 2017 19:10:23 GMT
All in all a sort of 'murky' incident, which is why I started the River Canal Rescue thread - in the hope that people will write fair and balanced descriptions of dealings with RCR: if praise is deserved then it can be given, if a finger-wagging is deemed suitable then that can also be given. Personally I have no experience of RCR and hope that we'll never need to call them ourselves, happy enough in the knowledge that we're contributing a small sum to a necessary service. Good luck to them if they can get it right most of the time.
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