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Post by bodger on Apr 11, 2017 19:12:51 GMT
I don't agree with the death penalty for anybody. Not for Myra Hindley, not for Saddam Hussein, not for Ian Huntley, not for anybody. Not only because it is an abuse for the State to override the rule of nature ........... ??........................ the rules of nature would ensure that anyone in the tribe (or any wolf in the pack) who disobeyed the rules in a serious way would be put to death or at least thrown out and left to starve to death.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:25:04 GMT
Without wishing to upset anyone. The drugs vets use to euthanase pets do not always result in a peaceful end. Having been a pet owner for over 60 years , sadly I've had to take many various pets to the rainbow bridge, cats, dogs, rabbits, various birds etc etc. The massive dose of Barbiturates that the Vet administers only has one outcome......a very rapid comatose state followed by the heart stopping. I have stayed with all my pets and have never seen any signs of distress, and in fact I have never heard any animal suffering from any of my friends regarding their pets nor from any veterinary staff of my acquaintance. Phil I'm happy you have had 'good' experiences. The large number of animals that are euthanased means that there is a very small chance of things going wrong (partly due to lessons learnt).
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 11, 2017 19:27:54 GMT
I don't agree with the death penalty for anybody. Not for Myra Hindley, not for Saddam Hussein, not for Ian Huntley, not for anybody. Not only because it is an abuse for the State to override the rule of nature ........... ??........................ the rules of nature would ensure that anyone in the tribe (or any wolf in the pack) who disobeyed the rules in a serious way would be put to death or at least thrown out and left to starve to death. I respect the opinion of anybody who supports capital punishment, personally I don't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:30:57 GMT
I don't agree with the death penalty for anybody. Not for Myra Hindley, not for Saddam Hussein, not for Ian Huntley, not for anybody. Not only because it is an abuse for the State to override the rule of nature ........... ??........................ the rules of nature would ensure that anyone in the tribe (or any wolf in the pack) who disobeyed the rules in a serious way would be put to death or at least thrown out and left to starve to death. It's an interesting subject as to whether we are 'better' than animals or not. Certainly 'intelligence' has come with it's merits and disadvantages. However, as a species we have had more of a detrimental impact on this planet, in such a short space in time, than any other life form. I suspect history will show we were less significant than the dinosaurs. Perhaps, being 'nice' is the the only hope we have...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:31:15 GMT
I too have had to take several dogs for their last visit to the vets.
Always peaceful and smooth, even with one dog that was trying to tear my face off.
Sadly I have visited and watched a number of loved ones die a slow tortuous death of terminal illness.
I would have been prosecuted for cruelty had I permitted a dog to suffer in that way.
The world's a funny old place.
Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 11, 2017 19:37:34 GMT
Sadly I have visited and watched a number of loved ones die a slow tortuous death of terminal illness. I would have been prosecuted for cruelty had I permitted a dog to suffer in that way. I wish I had had the courage to suffocate my Dad with a pillow two or three years before he eventually died.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:41:29 GMT
The biggest value of capital,punishment is making the perpetrator appreciate the sheer fear and terror they exposed their victim to.
You don't get sentenced to death for not doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:43:17 GMT
I too have had to take several dogs for their last visit to the vets. Always peaceful and smooth, even with one dog that was trying to tear my face off. Sadly I have visited and watched a number of loved ones die a slow tortuous death of terminal illness. I would have been prosecuted for cruelty had I permitted a dog to suffer in that way. The world's a funny old place. Rog Done both. Best friend is a vet and has just text me to say animal stuff not suitable for humans. Wife died aged 42 from cancer very shortly after I persuaded the nurse to increase the 'driver' meds. Enough said by me on this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:45:20 GMT
Sadly I have visited and watched a number of loved ones die a slow tortuous death of terminal illness. I would have been prosecuted for cruelty had I permitted a dog to suffer in that way. I wish I had had the courage to suffocate my Dad with a pillow two or three years before he eventually died. The hardest night of my life was spent pondering a similar thing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:55:15 GMT
The biggest value of capital,punishment is making the perpetrator appreciate the sheer fear and terror they exposed their victim to. You don't get sentenced to death for not doing so. That might make sense in a world with a truthfully fair justice system. We are a long way from that. Anyone with the funds could send any one of us down regardless of the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:57:59 GMT
The biggest value of capital,punishment is making the perpetrator appreciate the sheer fear and terror they exposed their victim to. You don't get sentenced to death for not doing so. That might make sense in a world with a truthfully fair justice system. We are a long way from that. Anyone with the funds could send any one of us down regardless of the truth. Mistakes can be made indeed. whats worse though? 25 years in prison for something you haven't done or the death penalty,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 20:02:42 GMT
As pathetic a response as it is, you can give a pardon and financially compensate someone for wrongful imprisonment.
A posthumous pardon doesn't cut it.
Until we can give life, I cannot justify death as a sentence.
But life in prison, should mean every second of life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 20:06:06 GMT
As pathetic a response as it is, you can give a pardon and financially compensate someone for wrongful imprisonment. A posthumous pardon doesn't cut it. Until we can give life, I cannot justify death as a sentence. But life in prison, should mean every second of life. Rog Perhaps we should allow people to choose? Execution verses 25 years in jail?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 20:11:30 GMT
That might make sense in a world with a truthfully fair justice system. We are a long way from that. Anyone with the funds could send any one of us down regardless of the truth. Mistakes can be made indeed. whats worse though? 25 years in prison for something you haven't done or the death penalty, I wonder what Hitler or Mandela would say about this beyond the grave! What I do know is that bad stuff is rarely entirely the fault of a single individual. There are usually a few other c#%ts and associated history behind it...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 20:16:33 GMT
Mistakes can be made indeed. whats worse though? 25 years in prison for something you haven't done or the death penalty, I wonder what Hitler or Mandela would say about this beyond the grave! What I do know is that bad stuff is rarely entirely the fault of a single individual. There are usually a few other c#%ts and associated history behind it... Indeed. but I have no understanding as to the relevence of your response in the context of a response to my post?
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