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Post by phil70 on Apr 11, 2017 17:02:03 GMT
I saw in the paper today that Arkansas intends rushing through 7 executions in the next 10 days because the drug they use (Midazolam) is due to expire,ie, pass it's use by date. Now I understand that it can,take up to an hour for the drug to do it's job, leaving the unfortunate recipient writhing in agony It occurred to me that it might be better, more humane if they used the drug that Vets administer to our pets when it comes to their time to cross the rainbow bridge. Over the years I have had to do the deed and can,only remember my "babies" just quietly going to sleep I'm sure the the intention is not to mete out an extended period of pain on these miscreants' but just to dispatch them in a timely manner Phil
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 17:05:48 GMT
I saw in the paper today that Arkansas intends rushing through 7 executions in the next 10 days because the drug they use (Midazolam) is due to expire,ie, pass it's use by date. Now I understand that it can,take up to an hour for the drug to do it's job, leaving the unfortunate recipient writhing in agony It occurred to me that it might be better, more humane if they used the drug that Vets administer to our pets when it comes to their time to cross the rainbow bridge. Over the years I have had to do the deed and can,only remember my "babies" just quietly going to sleep I'm sure the the intention is not to mete out an extended period of pain on these miscreants' but just to dispatch them in a timely manner Phil Sadly I think torture was planned in somewhere. :/
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Post by JohnV on Apr 11, 2017 17:06:16 GMT
I had not heard that latest Phil, but I agree with what you're saying.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 11, 2017 17:10:51 GMT
I don't agree with the death penalty for anybody. Not for Myra Hindley, not for Saddam Hussein, not for Ian Huntley, not for anybody.
Not only because it is an abuse for the State to override the rule of nature but also, rather contrarily I suppose, because I don't believe it to be as great a punishment as life imprisonment.
As for Arkansas, if they are really that intent on the death penalty then they can always return to the electric chair. The whole reason they don't want to is that it shows all too graphically what they are doing, which is not some medical procedure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 17:12:11 GMT
Without wishing to upset anyone. The drugs vets use to euthanase pets do not always result in a peaceful end.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 11, 2017 17:18:42 GMT
I don't agree with the death penalty for anybody. Not for Myra Hindley, not for Saddam Hussein, not for Ian Huntley, not for anybody. My feelings concerning the death penalty are very confused. On the one hand the problem is that it is final mistakes can never be rectified but on the other I resent the huge sums of money that are spent detaining truly evil characters for sometimes many decades. Money that could be far better spent on the deserving.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 11, 2017 17:31:28 GMT
I don't agree with the death penalty for anybody. Not for Myra Hindley, not for Saddam Hussein, not for Ian Huntley, not for anybody. My feelings concerning the death penalty are very confused. On the one hand the problem is that it is final mistakes can never be rectified but on the other I resent the huge sums of money that are spent detaining truly evil characters for sometimes many decades. Money that could be far better spent on the deserving. I respect the view of anybody who supports the death penalty, but as much as anything I don't think it is much of a punishment to put somebody to sleep, and for their ordeal to be over. Far better to lock them in a cell smaller than a car parking space for forty or fifty years and allow them to reflect upon their mistake from sunrise to sundown until the day they get the death penalty anyway, as we are all destined to do. It may cost taxpayers money, but only a fraction compared to the cost of keeping the troughers at Westminster.
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Post by canaldweller on Apr 11, 2017 17:52:55 GMT
I don't agree with the death penalty for anybody. Not for Myra Hindley, not for Saddam Hussein, not for Ian Huntley, not for anybody. Not only because it is an abuse for the State to override the rule of nature but also, rather contrarily I suppose, because I don't believe it to be as great a punishment as life imprisonment. As for Arkansas, if they are really that intent on the death penalty then they can always return to the electric chair. The whole reason they don't want to is that it shows all too graphically what they are doing, which is not some medical procedure. I tend to agree. "You will not kill 'cos if you do we will kill you" doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Post by Delta9 on Apr 11, 2017 18:00:57 GMT
I don't agree with the death penalty for anybody. Not for Myra Hindley, not for Saddam Hussein, not for Ian Huntley, not for anybody. My feelings concerning the death penalty are very confused. On the one hand the problem is that it is final mistakes can never be rectified but on the other I resent the huge sums of money that are spent detaining truly evil characters for sometimes many decades. Money that could be far better spent on the deserving. It costs many times more to execute them than it does to imprison them for life.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 11, 2017 18:03:44 GMT
My feelings concerning the death penalty are very confused. On the one hand the problem is that it is final mistakes can never be rectified but on the other I resent the huge sums of money that are spent detaining truly evil characters for sometimes many decades. Money that could be far better spent on the deserving. It costs many times more to execute them than it does to imprison them for life. ? ? ?
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Post by peterboat on Apr 11, 2017 18:05:06 GMT
I think it was on the news a while ago that they were having to buy the drugs on the black market, the makers are keenly aware that to a lot of people the lethal injection is not popular so they dont want to be associated with it. How true this is I dont know but it has a ring of truth to it
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Post by Delta9 on Apr 11, 2017 18:38:11 GMT
It costs many times more to execute them than it does to imprison them for life. ? ? ? The cost of the injection might be low, but the other costs involved make it the more expensive option. Trials where the death penalty is sought last longer, are a hell of a lot more complicated and expensive than trials where 'life without parole' is sought, as are the endless appeals. The cost of keeping someone on death row is also twice the cost of normal jail, and they often have to keep them on death row for well over a decade while all the appeals are heard.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 11, 2017 18:58:54 GMT
The cost of the injection might be low, but the other costs involved make it the more expensive option. Trials where the death penalty is sought last longer, are a hell of a lot more complicated and expensive than trials where 'life without parole' is sought, as are the endless appeals. The cost of keeping someone on death row is also twice the cost of normal jail, and they often have to keep them on death row for well over a decade while all the appeals are heard. Cost isn't a factor. The difference between the cost of executing a person and the cost of incarcerating them for life amounts to fractions of a penny per person per year. The entire question is "Should we be doing this?" Personally, I say no.
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Post by phil70 on Apr 11, 2017 19:12:20 GMT
Without wishing to upset anyone. The drugs vets use to euthanase pets do not always result in a peaceful end. Having been a pet owner for over 60 years , sadly I've had to take many various pets to the rainbow bridge, cats, dogs, rabbits, various birds etc etc. The massive dose of Barbiturates that the Vet administers only has one outcome......a very rapid comatose state followed by the heart stopping. I have stayed with all my pets and have never seen any signs of distress, and in fact I have never heard any animal suffering from any of my friends regarding their pets nor from any veterinary staff of my acquaintance. Phil
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Post by Delta9 on Apr 11, 2017 19:12:22 GMT
The cost of the injection might be low, but the other costs involved make it the more expensive option. Trials where the death penalty is sought last longer, are a hell of a lot more complicated and expensive than trials where 'life without parole' is sought, as are the endless appeals. The cost of keeping someone on death row is also twice the cost of normal jail, and they often have to keep them on death row for well over a decade while all the appeals are heard. Cost isn't a factor. The difference between the cost of executing a person and the cost of incarcerating them for life amounts to fractions of a penny per person per year. The entire question is "Should we be doing this?" Personally, I say no. I was replying to John, who was talking about cost...
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