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Post by Saltysplash on Apr 12, 2017 15:15:35 GMT
I've never understood why the yanks mess about so much with their executions, Its so simple and cheap to make em dance a Jig at the end of a yard arm or to be despatched by a single bullet. Maybe they see torture (by any other name) being more 'satisfying' for the victims than instant death? After all it wasn't that long ago there were public floggings. Do they still do it in some countries? Maybe the victims should be able to choose the punishment. The Public have always enjoyed a good execution, The County could make back some of the cost by charging entry fee and selling related merchandise. Giving the victims a choice of punishment would be interesting....especially if some of them choose to subject the perp to Death by Mau Mau
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 12, 2017 15:33:47 GMT
Maybe they see torture (by any other name) being more 'satisfying' for the victims than instant death? After all it wasn't that long ago there were public floggings. Do they still do it in some countries? Maybe the victims should be able to choose the punishment. The Public have always enjoyed a good execution, The County could make back some of the cost by charging entry fee and selling related merchandise. Giving the victims a choice of punishment would be interesting....especially if some of them choose to subject the perp to Death by Mau Mau Here's a nugget of information which may or may not be interesting, for around five years it was possible to travel on a London underground train to watch a public hanging.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 12, 2017 15:39:00 GMT
I've never understood why the yanks mess about so much with their executions, Its so simple and cheap to make em dance a Jig at the end of a yard arm or to be despatched by a single bullet. After all it wasn't that long ago there were public floggings. Do they still do it in some countries? You jest. Right?
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 12, 2017 15:42:02 GMT
The yanks seems to go for most horrible methods as long as it's barely justifiable as humane by some stretch of the imagination. Don't they have some rule about the dispatched being concious as they die or have I imagined that? Otherwise too much anesthetic would be quick and clean. Or too much opiates.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 12, 2017 15:47:41 GMT
www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/endpublic.htmlAnd not to mention all the 'Witches' and 'Wizards' who were burned at the stake or drowned. Humans have not changed. Take away the aeroplanes, cars, electricity, expensive narrowboats, eye glasses, modern medicine, good clothing and food, shopping centres, decent housing, well-paid jobs - and we're back where we were. The nastiness already shows through the cracks in 'my car is bigger than yours' and 'no mooring where I live, matey!' Thankfully all of the above gives us the time and energy to be more civil, and religion has had its place in Britain in getting people to behave.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 12, 2017 15:49:42 GMT
The yanks seems to go for most horrible methods as long as it's barely justifiable as humane by some stretch of the imagination. Don't they have some rule about the dispatched being concious as they die or have I imagined that? Otherwise too much anesthetic would be quick and clean. Or too much opiates. And how do you feel about the Americans running so much in Britain these days - including the prison system and airport security? Not to mention all those private car parks! It's probably the Americans behind running down the NHS - wanting everyone to join BUPA.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 12, 2017 16:25:45 GMT
The yanks seems to go for most horrible methods as long as it's barely justifiable as humane by some stretch of the imagination. Don't they have some rule about the dispatched being concious as they die or have I imagined that? Otherwise too much anesthetic would be quick and clean. Or too much opiates. I think the US only use lethal injection nowadays, nobody has been hanged since 1996, executed in the gas chamber since 1999, shot since 2010 or electrocuted since 2013 and it's considered unlikely that any of these methods will be used again.
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Post by patty on Apr 12, 2017 17:14:19 GMT
I don't like capital punishment....the fact that another human pulls the switch or whatever to end some ones life just isn't right..
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Post by bodger on Apr 12, 2017 19:39:06 GMT
nobody 'likes' capital punishment, but it's more pertinent to remember that it's not right when a murderer 'pulls the switch or whatever to end someone's life'.
as I said before, why are we so concerned about the criminal and do not seem to bother about the victim's family? Until such time as no human can be found to carry out the execution we shouldn't worry too much about the executioner's motives or conscience.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 12, 2017 20:55:10 GMT
The thing that surprised me is that the trouble US states are having is that European pharmaceutical manufacturers are refusing to sell them the drugs required for lethal injection, and I'm surprised that none of their own pharmaceutical manufacturers produce them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 21:09:57 GMT
Execution just puts another family in mourning.
I feel as a society we need to show greater strength of character than simple revenge.
I also believe the rest of your natural life in prison is a more just and fitting sentence.
Sadly, life imprisonment doesn't usually equate to that, but that's another debate.
Rog
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Post by thebfg on Apr 12, 2017 21:20:03 GMT
I just read this. Last month, Hospira—the sole U.S. company approved to manufacture the drug—announced it will no longer produce sodium thiopental. This move followed a global campaign by death penalty opponents and pressure by Italian government officials after the company sought to shift production of the drug to an Italian plant. The shortage of sodium thiopental has forced the 35 states using lethal injection to scramble for any remaining stock and to explore alternatives
I sitting on the fence with capital punishment but I don't think we should make it so hard for them if they want to end their own life.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 12, 2017 22:36:31 GMT
The thing that surprised me is that the trouble US states are having is that European pharmaceutical manufacturers are refusing to sell them the drugs required for lethal injection, and I'm surprised that none of their own pharmaceutical manufacturers produce them. I did say this at the beginning they are having to buy on the black market and are getting dodgy drugs which is causing the bad death syndrome I suspect
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Post by patty on Apr 13, 2017 5:50:07 GMT
It seems slightly incongruous that pharmaceutical companies who are renowned for selling drugs with vast profit labels attached have developed a 'conscience' regarding drugs for ending life of those on Death row... I remember the 'Opren' scandal and initial denial..thalidomide...etc whereby drug companies initially did nothing about facing up to their responsibilities.....drug companies in those instances did not seem to have a conscience. The pressure put upon the manufacturers of death must be great for profit to have been set aside.
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Post by bodger on Apr 13, 2017 7:48:34 GMT
Execution just puts another family in mourning. I feel as a society we need to show greater strength of character than simple revenge. I also believe the rest of your natural life in prison is a more just and fitting sentence. Sadly, life imprisonment doesn't usually equate to that, but that's another debate. Rog why do you and so many others believe the death penalty is about revenge? it ain't, it's about removing someone, who has shown himself to be a real threat to the lives of others, from the face of the earth and hopefully denying his genes access to the gene pool. why on earth should we taxpayers spend millions just to keep such a person in a secure place for the rest of his natural? of course there are some murders involving mitigating circumstances, but in the case of cold-blooded and pre-meditated killing I am not at all concerned about the poor family left in mourning; some of whom were responsible for bringing up the little prick. ................ yet again, no concern about the victims, but loads of concern about the killer's relatives.................... what a load of utter bollox!
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