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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 7:54:57 GMT
Execution just puts another family in mourning. I feel as a society we need to show greater strength of character than simple revenge. I also believe the rest of your natural life in prison is a more just and fitting sentence. Sadly, life imprisonment doesn't usually equate to that, but that's another debate. Rog why do you and so many others believe the death penalty is about revenge? it ain't, it's about removing someone, who has shown himself to be a danger to the lives of others, from the face of the earth and hopefully denying his genes access to the gene pool. why on earth should we taxpayers spend millions just to keep such a person in a secure place for the rest of his natural? ...because if it wasn't about revenge surely they would just put a bullet through the head.. Actually, isn't it more about our controlling factions sending out a message to everyone? (and keeping lots of lawyers in buisness...no no...far too much of a conspiricy that one).
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 13, 2017 7:59:28 GMT
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Post by bodger on Apr 13, 2017 11:52:44 GMT
why do you and so many others believe the death penalty is about revenge? it ain't, it's about removing someone, who has shown himself to be a danger to the lives of others, from the face of the earth and hopefully denying his genes access to the gene pool. why on earth should we taxpayers spend millions just to keep such a person in a secure place for the rest of his natural? ...because if it wasn't about revenge surely they would just put a bullet through the head.. why?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 12:15:29 GMT
...because if it wasn't about revenge surely they would just put a bullet through the head.. why? Well why else drag out the torture?
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Post by mischief on Apr 13, 2017 12:21:42 GMT
I just read this. Last month, Hospira—the sole U.S. company approved to manufacture the drug—announced it will no longer produce sodium thiopental. This move followed a global campaign by death penalty opponents and pressure by Italian government officials after the company sought to shift production of the drug to an Italian plant. The shortage of sodium thiopental has forced the 35 states using lethal injection to scramble for any remaining stock and to explore alternatives I sitting on the fence with capital punishment but I don't think we should make it so hard for them if they want to end their own life. By making it easier for a murderer/abuser to take their own life they are getting a level of control over themselves that they denied another human being. They should live and suffer in my opinion, as long as they ARE suffering and not just getting free board and lodging with healthcare/computer/study privileges etc. I am against the death penalty as humanity as a whole shouldn't be dragged down to the level of the lowest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 13:41:34 GMT
And how does leaving another family in mourning help anyone. It won't bring any victims back. Everyone remains dead.
Furthermore if an error has been made, nothing can be done to correct it.
I actually feel that a life time in jail is a more fitting sentence, than a quick painless exit, where the only people suffering are the families left behind.
I realise you disagree, and equally that we will not persuade each other of the correctness of our view.
I am not able to say my view is right, but it is sincerely held.
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Post by mischief on Apr 13, 2017 14:07:53 GMT
And how does leaving another family in mourning help anyone. It won't bring any victims back. Everyone remains dead. Furthermore if an error has been made, nothing can be done to correct it.I actually feel that a life time in jail is a more fitting sentence, than a quick painless exit, where the only people suffering are the families left behind. I realise you disagree, and equally that we will not persuade each other of the correctness of our view. I am not able to say my view is right, but it is sincerely held. Rog That is a further very good point, a bunch of flowers at a grave saying sorry doesn't quite cut it really.
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Post by bodger on Apr 13, 2017 14:38:33 GMT
Well why else drag out the torture? what torture? you mean the torture of keeping a murderer in prison for the rest of his life? the most common means of execution, in civilised countries that still practice it, is hanging, and if it is done by an expert then death is virtually immediate and suffering is minimal. ......................... so much concern for the murderer. it beggars belief.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 14:51:19 GMT
Well why else drag out the torture? what torture? you mean the torture of keeping a murderer in prison for the rest of his life? the most common means of execution, in civilised countries that still practice it, is hanging, and if it is done by an expert then death is virtually immediate and suffering is minimal. ......................... so much concern for the murderer. it beggars belief. The discussion was about 'lethal injections', if you want to talk about murder victims then that is a different matter. Of course there is concern about the victims too. Surely what ever system is used to punish murderers needs to allow for proper justice? That's not about being soft on murderers, it's about ensuring you've got the right guy (which is another reason for taking time over it).
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Post by mischief on Apr 13, 2017 14:54:18 GMT
Well why else drag out the torture? what torture? you mean the torture of keeping a murderer in prison for the rest of his life? the most common means of execution, in civilised countries that still practice it, is hanging, and if it is done by an expert then death is virtually immediate and suffering is minimal. ......................... so much concern for the murderer. it beggars belief. Quite. Why should they get a nice quick clean merciful exit? I doubt they gave that to their victims. I am afraid I am not against capital punishment for humanitarian reasons but more out of a desire for the guilty to suffer.
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Post by canaldweller on Apr 13, 2017 15:19:40 GMT
Well why else drag out the torture? what torture? you mean the torture of keeping a murderer in prison for the rest of his life? the most common means of execution, in civilised countries that still practice it, is hanging, and if it is done by an expert then death is virtually immediate and suffering is minimal. ......................... so much concern for the murderer. it beggars belief. Hope. If the person is innocent then there's always hope that the truth will someday come out. Reflection. Plenty of time to reflect on what they did. Besides, is there any evidence that the death penalty reduces the amount of murders that occur in the world?
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 13, 2017 15:33:59 GMT
Should we jail all of Ethiopia? It would certainly save them all starving to death. Eh?
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 13, 2017 15:39:19 GMT
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Post by Gone on Apr 13, 2017 15:41:32 GMT
what torture? you mean the torture of keeping a murderer in prison for the rest of his life? the most common means of execution, in civilised countries that still practice it, is hanging, and if it is done by an expert then death is virtually immediate and suffering is minimal. ......................... so much concern for the murderer. it beggars belief. Hope. If the person is innocent then there's always hope that the truth will someday come out. Reflection. Plenty of time to reflect on what they did. Besides, is there any evidence that the death penalty reduces the amount of murders that occur in the world? I seem to remember a few years ago a country briefly had the death penalty for certain violent rapes. The unintended consequence was that the number of rape victims killed went up - Too risky to leave a witness and the penalty for murder was no worse than for the rape, being execution. The US has the death penalty and lots of murders, we don't and very few murders, so I suspect there is not much link between murder rates and punishment method.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 13, 2017 15:47:52 GMT
Actually, it's not a bad rag. There are some good weather photos, and the best is the Readers' Comments. The Times and Telegraph and Observer and (non-)Independent just have the same news but written with words that you have to look up in the dictionary.
When I'm in England, at an airport or having to hang around in WH Smiths I sometimes flick open The Sun and Daily Star as there are free boobs on Page 3 (sometimes Page 7).
I have never bought a copy of the Sun or Star. I have bought a couple of copies of the Telegraph for their foreign news (but that was around 1986).
I have worked with people who buy The Sun, at the end of the work day they carefully roll it up and take it home... it's so precious, you see. The word 'lobotomy' comes to my mind when The Sun is deemed to have value.
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