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Post by kris on Oct 19, 2017 16:40:54 GMT
Yes that one looks quite interesting for anyone who likes boating in and around London. Maybe some overdue changes are on the way. like what? I'm genuinely interested in what you think is the solution.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 16:42:52 GMT
Matthew Symmonds job is to an extent set up to accommodate his employment from when Sally ash took him on as a towpath ranger for the K&A. (I was sat in her car getting a lift home when she rang him to confirm the post). CRT were up for not renewing his contract when Sally left. Consequently Mr Symmonds started latching on to Geoff Whyatt, and Richard Parry in the hope of keeping his position. Obviously he succeeded and even managed to escape the sack for his later remarks about live aboard boaters.
I've had dealings with him, and found him to be slightly sparse with the truth, and very untrustworthy.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 19, 2017 16:46:45 GMT
I didn't realise it's mathew Symonds who is in charge of this consultation. No wonder they are having problems making shure every liscence holder receives a copy. He foned me up last week and still no email or anything, spoke to another boater at the hospital today and he has no report seems like they arnt sending many out!!
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Post by kris on Oct 19, 2017 16:51:54 GMT
I didn't realise it's mathew Symonds who is in charge of this consultation. No wonder they are having problems making shure every liscence holder receives a copy. He foned me up last week and still no email or anything, spoke to another boater at the hospital today and he has no report seems like they arnt sending many out!! i agree, I've talked to lots of boaters who haven't received it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 17:02:06 GMT
Yes that one looks quite interesting for anyone who likes boating in and around London. Maybe some overdue changes are on the way. like what? I'm genuinely interested in what you think is the solution. Have a read of the "London mooring strategy" proposals kris. I'm not going to get into what I think is the solution as it will not lead anywhere constructive
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 17:07:19 GMT
like what? I'm genuinely interested in what you think is the solution. Have a read of the "London mooring strategy" proposals kris. I'm not going to get into what I think is the solution as it will not lead anywhere constructive Although I have read them, and replied with the survey, I believe you would be a bit naive if you think it's all going to be as they are saying at the moment. London, and it's boaters are going to get a kicking. You will be priced off the waterways there, and I predict a massive clear up operation of dumped boats.
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Post by kris on Oct 19, 2017 17:10:13 GMT
like what? I'm genuinely interested in what you think is the solution. Have a read of the "London mooring strategy" proposals kris. I'm not going to get into what I think is the solution as it will not lead anywhere constructive Fair enough, but as you live there I thought you might have an idea or two.
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Post by kris on Oct 19, 2017 17:11:14 GMT
Have a read of the "London mooring strategy" proposals kris. I'm not going to get into what I think is the solution as it will not lead anywhere constructive Although I have read them, and replied with the survey, I believe you would be a bit naive if you think it's all going to be as they are saying at the moment. London, and it's boaters are going to get a kicking. You will be priced off the waterways there, and I predict a massive clear up operation of dumped boats. Boat prices will collapse then, that will adversely effect all boaters in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 17:11:55 GMT
I do live in London and have ideas. In fact I could have written the strategy document myself. I thought it was very well put together by someone with their eyes open Worth a read
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 17:15:56 GMT
Although I have read them, and replied with the survey, I believe you would be a bit naive if you think it's all going to be as they are saying at the moment. London, and it's boaters are going to get a kicking. You will be priced off the waterways there, and I predict a massive clear up operation of dumped boats. Boat prices will collapse then, that will adversely effect all boaters in the end. I did wonder about that as well. There are such enormous numbers of boats which have been bought with no other motivation than cheap accomodation. If, and that is IF, there is large scale change (unlikely IMO) then it would obviously bugger up the second hand boat market. That's partly why I don't think much actually will change. More likely a bit of tinkering and attempts to redistribute boats away from "hotspots".,
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Post by kris on Oct 19, 2017 17:24:54 GMT
Boat prices will collapse then, that will adversely effect all boaters in the end. I did wonder about that as well. There are such enormous numbers of boats which have been bought with no other motivation than cheap accomodation. If, and that is IF, there is large scale change (unlikely IMO) then it would obviously bugger up the second hand boat market. That's partly why I don't think much actually will change. More likely a bit of tinkering and attempts to redistribute boats away from "hotspots"., I've read the document and it does contain some good proposals. But if you start to add it up its not possible to do it all. Where's the extra towpath coming from? 30 new business mooring sites, more new long term moorings, extra mooring rings and two water sport spaces. Oh I almost forgot an Eco mooring section with no generators or wood burners. I was under the impression it's overcrowded already, so where are the boats going to go that are already there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 17:34:22 GMT
I did wonder about that as well. There are such enormous numbers of boats which have been bought with no other motivation than cheap accomodation. If, and that is IF, there is large scale change (unlikely IMO) then it would obviously bugger up the second hand boat market. That's partly why I don't think much actually will change. More likely a bit of tinkering and attempts to redistribute boats away from "hotspots"., I've read the document and it does contain some good proposals. But if you start to add it up its not possible to do it all. Where's the extra towpath coming from? 30 new business mooring sites, more new long term moorings, extra mooring rings and two water sport spaces. Oh I almost forgot an Eco mooring section with no generators or wood burners. I was under the impression it's overcrowded already, so where are the boats going to go that are already there. It's all artist impressions. Easy to draw the pictures and do a PowerPoint presentation, but impossible to implicate beyond the pictures. Crt are going to zone the canals within the m25, just like tfl. Zones 1 to 10. The lower the zone, the more your licence will be. The roving mooring permit is being poked about to steer NABO away from the zoning.
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Post by kris on Oct 19, 2017 17:38:05 GMT
I've read the document and it does contain some good proposals. But if you start to add it up its not possible to do it all. Where's the extra towpath coming from? 30 new business mooring sites, more new long term moorings, extra mooring rings and two water sport spaces. Oh I almost forgot an Eco mooring section with no generators or wood burners. I was under the impression it's overcrowded already, so where are the boats going to go that are already there. It's all artist impressions. Easy to draw the pictures and do a PowerPoint presentation, but impossible to implicate beyond the pictures. Crt are going to zone the canals within the m25, just like tfl. Zones 1 to 10. The lower the zone, the more your licence will be. The roving mooring permit is being poked about to steer NABO away from the zoning. So basicly if your rich you can keep a boat in London, if not fuck off. If this is the way crt go I predict lots of trouble ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 17:38:47 GMT
You will be priced off the waterways there, and I predict a massive clear up operation of dumped boats. The only people who will be "priced off the waterways" are people who are using boats as a massively cheap housing option. I'm in favour of developing all offside sites for residential use. Obviously some council subsidised sites would be nice but that won't happen. I personally think that the biggest threat to the future of the system in London is residential use of boats which do not pay residential costs. At some point policy makers will just think "fuck this it's just packed with housing anyway let's fill it in and build bloody houses on it !!" (I did mention it would not be constructive )
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 17:42:58 GMT
It's all artist impressions. Easy to draw the pictures and do a PowerPoint presentation, but impossible to implicate beyond the pictures. Crt are going to zone the canals within the m25, just like tfl. Zones 1 to 10. The lower the zone, the more your licence will be. The roving mooring permit is being poked about to steer NABO away from the zoning. So basicly if your rich you can keep a boat in London, if not fuck off. If this is the way crt go I predict lots of trouble ahead. That would be broadly similar to London housing then. Obviously you can have a boat elsewhere and visit London if you can find a space but is there a particular reason why people should be allowed to reside in London for such a low cost? Surely you can see the eventual outcome of that sort of biased situation ??
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