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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 2, 2017 8:39:51 GMT
If a fair system of charging for boat Licences was a goal in anyone's sights, there is in fact only one basis for fee differentials that is entirely fair - boat's length multiplied by the percentage of the total mileage of waterway that the boat can use, starting from the waterway it's based on.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 2, 2017 9:18:52 GMT
I already suggested a 'Pay As You Go' system - tolls at every lock, and a £2 coin to put in the slot to use the Elsan/Thetford holes. Just like the TVs in USA bus stations. Or the launderette.
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Post by peterboat on Aug 2, 2017 10:04:38 GMT
Cameras at every lock to identify registration numbers, or to look at each boat from CRT control. The Dartford Crossing can do it, and all the toll stations on Norwegian roads. Cost of lock could be related to litres used. Say 30p/litre? Also water points/taps. Insert credit card to get water out. Foxy, have you seen how much water there are in our locks?
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 2, 2017 10:11:42 GMT
If a fair system of charging for boat Licences was a goal in anyone's sights, there is in fact only one basis for fee differentials that is entirely fair - boat's length multiplied by the percentage of the total mileage of waterway that the boat can use, starting from the waterway it's based on. And then factor in that the wide waterways of the NE require vastly greater infrastructure cost and upkeep cost.
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Post by Jim on Aug 2, 2017 10:18:27 GMT
Cameras at every lock to identify registration numbers, or to look at each boat from CRT control. The Dartford Crossing can do it, and all the toll stations on Norwegian roads. Cost of lock could be related to litres used. Say 30p/litre? Also water points/taps. Insert credit card to get water out. So narrowboaters pay more then, the smaller the boat the more water and £? Fine as long as you pay my fees.
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Post by kris on Aug 2, 2017 10:30:54 GMT
If a fair system of charging for boat Licences was a goal in anyone's sights, there is in fact only one basis for fee differentials that is entirely fair - boat's length multiplied by the percentage of the total mileage of waterway that the boat can use, starting from the waterway it's based on. And then factor in that the wide waterways of the NE require vastly greater infrastructure cost and upkeep cost. how do you work that out?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 2, 2017 10:35:14 GMT
If a fair system of charging for boat Licences was a goal in anyone's sights, there is in fact only one basis for fee differentials that is entirely fair - boat's length multiplied by the percentage of the total mileage of waterway that the boat can use, starting from the waterway it's based on. . . . . . . the wide waterways of the NE require vastly greater infrastructure cost and upkeep cost. On the face of it , that would seem like a reasonable assumption, but in fact it's nonsense. The locks on the Trent, Ouse, Aire & Calder, and at Sykehouse on the New Junction are a lot bigger than elsewhere, but there's a lot less of them, and a very big proportion of the total mileage of those four waterways is natural river channel which needs no maintenance whatsover. Unlike the rest of the canal system, they also all enjoy a water supply at zero cost to the navigation authority - no reservoirs to maintain, and no back-pumping to do. The rest of the Northern and Northeastern waterways are of a size comparable with, or smaller than, the Southern Grand Union.
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Post by kris on Aug 2, 2017 10:41:04 GMT
Cameras at every lock to identify registration numbers, or to look at each boat from CRT control. The Dartford Crossing can do it, and all the toll stations on Norwegian roads. Cost of lock could be related to litres used. Say 30p/litre? Also water points/taps. Insert credit card to get water out. Five rise takes approx 500,000 liters of water, so foxy if you'd like to ring crt and make a payment of £150,000 then work away.
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Post by kris on Aug 2, 2017 10:57:47 GMT
Foxy, have you seen how much water there are in our locks? How much Lemonroyd Lock if 30p/litre? exactly you owe a lot of money according to your system.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 2, 2017 11:14:23 GMT
In fact our licence has become cheaper since July 2016. The £ requires just 1.1183 € to buy it today. It was 1.40 before June 2017.
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Post by kris on Aug 2, 2017 11:17:52 GMT
Five rise takes approx 500,000 liters of water, so foxy if you'd like to ring crt and make a payment of £150,000 then work away. This goes to show what a bargain our licences are! ive got no problem with the cost of my liscence. I'd quite happily give them more money if I thought they weren't going to squander it. The worrying thing about this liscence review is once the president is set of introducing above inflation price rises then it will get ridiculous.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 2, 2017 11:29:10 GMT
Just wait until the canals are really privatised. Virgin Canals. Northern Canals. Deutsche Bahn Canals. Abellio Canals. Chiltern Canals!
Locks will be cheaper if you purchase them in advance. No travelcard concessions before 0930.
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Post by Jim on Aug 2, 2017 11:32:54 GMT
So narrowboaters pay more then, the smaller the boat the more water and £? Fine as long as you pay my fees. "Moored on the highest mooring of the network" Now I got it - charge by height!!! MTB will be well happy!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 12:13:57 GMT
Cameras at every lock to identify registration numbers, or to look at each boat from CRT control. The Dartford Crossing can do it, and all the toll stations on Norwegian roads. Cost of lock could be related to litres used. Say 30p/litre? Also water points/taps. Insert credit card to get water out. Idiot.
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Post by IainS on Aug 2, 2017 12:15:50 GMT
If a fair system of charging for boat Licences was a goal in anyone's sights, there is in fact only one basis for fee differentials that is entirely fair - boat's length multiplied by the percentage of the total mileage of waterway that the boat can use, starting from the waterway it's based on. Boat area, surely, rather than just length. But still a more complicated system than we have at the moment ....
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