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Post by naughtyfox on May 19, 2017 15:17:58 GMT
Although lollygagger is a sworn enemy and I have crossed him off my Christmas card list, he does seem to be on the ball with this political thread. Thumbs up for being perceiving and eloquent script. I bludgeon about a bit and would probably just blurt out that most politicians should be tortured in the most fiendish way.
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 15:25:13 GMT
Although lollygagger is a sworn enemy and I have crossed him off my Christmas card list, he does seem to be on the ball with this political thread. Thumbs up for being perceiving and eloquent script. I bludgeon about a bit and would probably just blurt out that most politicians should be tortured in the most fiendish way. A difference between us is that you're so hung up on blaming another faraway race/religion/country/social group/Teresa May's husband and having done that seem satisfied that you have it all sewn up. Blame is so high on your agenda you remind me of my ex wife. She liked the Daily Express. I have a thing about the blame culture, it's negative and pointless, gets nothing done, distracts from reality...
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Post by naughtyfox on May 19, 2017 15:30:01 GMT
One mans food is anothers poison! I so no democracy with the EU its unelected leaders were the only ones that could make the rules didnt work for me so I voted to leave. If it was still the common market no eurocracy at all brussels etc didnt exist then it would be ok but the EU is a huge step to far and has no place in the world I agree with all that but the problem now is either you are a Tory or completely disenfranchised. That's not democracy either. Although I am a socialist-minded person (of course at the same time realising that Capitalism is the way of Nature) and despise 'The Conservatives', you have to give them credit - they know how to all pull together to get what they want (ie. poor, ignorant and stupid folk to doff their caps as they pass and do all the shitty mindless chores). I expect we'd all like to drive to concerts and fox-hunts and be off to Buckingham Palace to get a gong in our top-of-the-morning-to-you-Squire Range Rover, and to pretend we have a 'university degree' when it's really from some tarted-up dump like Hatfield Polytechnic (which now calls itself the 'University of Hertfordshire'). What Britain really needs is a socialist party - not the Old/New Labour-has beens - but a group of willing and dedicated politicians who really want to see the best for Britain and not just lining their pockets from the illegal backhanders from the Chinese Mafia or the Russian Mob. It's not going to happen, though, is it?
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 15:30:24 GMT
naughtyfox - have you read Terry Pratchett's books?
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Post by naughtyfox on May 19, 2017 15:33:20 GMT
Oh It's GiGo by the way. It's an acronym Giggleswick Gorilla?
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 15:43:01 GMT
This country is fucked of course.
I used to be a small co director with a reasonably good accountant. If my profit was, say, £90k, what with using tax allowances for me and the now ex (who didn't actually do anything), allowances for working at home, ACT allowances (biggest ever when labour were in power), milage allowances ekcetara our total tax bill including NI PAYE and CT was 4 figures. Meanwhile by paying the ex just the right amount, she got an NI stamp every week and never paid even 1p NI - for 20 years. Even worse, because our PAYE earnings were so low we got tax credits! Yes, indeedy £90k and on benefits. This was under labour too. And child allowance. It was embarrassing really.
So I do have experience of how unjust our tax system is in favour of business.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 19, 2017 15:47:12 GMT
naughtyfox - have you read Terry Pratchett's books? Name is familiar - but no. Just had a quick look on Google (where else?!). I could check him out. I think you will find I'm not as stupid as I appear.* For serious conversations I need to sit down at a table with pen and paper to hand to make notes, and I like to thrash things out from end to end which may take a few hours. I generally listen to my original outlook on life and seem to get by happily with that. I have been willing to listen to other peoples' views - yet, no matter how convincing they may sound, it all seems to come back to the same old black and white reality. One of the few people I have admired and listened to carefully was a foreman of mine when I worked at Hatfield bus garage; he was a socialist of sorts, we talked of things in depth during our tea breaks. I have always been 'socialist minded' and have looked down on 'the false rich' (such as the Beckhams and Pippa) - yet I have no desire to help the lazy (gippos who uninvitedly spread their filth and then bugger off) nor people who claim poverty yet have the money for piercings and tattoos, booze and drugs. Capitalism is the way of nature and genes, but a healthy dose of socialistic values including decent education and health care for all makes a decent partner. * edited to say I retain the right to withdraw that opinion on occasions!
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Post by peterboat on May 19, 2017 15:49:27 GMT
I agree with all that but the problem now is either you are a Tory or completely disenfranchised. That's not democracy either. Tory or disenfranchised ? ...... It's hardly Theresa May's fault that the other party leaders are such a bunch of losers. As regards Gigi's post ..... To find the reason for overcrowding in nursery schools it is necessary to look at the reason why the number of children versus the expected number of children was so greatly out of step. You plan for a given growth from a population with such and such an age demographic. You then organise that amount of growth in teacher training and recruitment, plan building programs for new schools etc. Excellent , all sorted !!! Then some idiot goes and allows encourages !!! massive immigration and guess what, they're mostly youngsters, often couples who, surprise bloody surprise, start having children !!! It might come as a surprise to some but the lead in time for children is a damn sight shorter than the lead in time to build schools and train the teachers to run them !!! (and incidentally much the same holds true for housing stock/medical facilities et al) Exactly right John sodding Blair again!!! All the mess of the last 20 odd years has been his and his policies fault, I never liked him never voted for him but got him as the Prime minister and thats democracy take it or leave it, we vote for the leader the EU doesnt or rather we dont. The EU and its policies are destroying this successful country, and we must be good otherwise they wouldnt be coming here. I have a feeling that the EU is going to play hardball and a lot of its citizens are going to get caught in the crossfire, we could easily end up up with a lot of empty homes and no unemployment in a couple of years, watch wages rise then
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 15:51:43 GMT
Oops, forgot vat -made a packet out of that! They have bands. You can choose to charge vat at full rate (at the time 17.5%), but pass on just 13% in my case as long as you didn't claim any back. If you had virtually zero costs (me) you wouldn't have been claiming much back anyway so you're up, say, 4%. 4% of £100k is £4k. Thank you very much, I'll have that for 20 years too, £80k, paid me mortgage.
I once heard Norman Tebbit's sneering at people on "fixed incomes" as if they were self inflicted tax paying idiots. He was referring to employees on PAYE.
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 16:09:25 GMT
naughtyfox - have you read Terry Pratchett's books? Name is familiar - but no. Just had a quick look on Google (where else?!). I could check him out. I think you will find I'm not as stupid as I appear. For serious conversations I need to sit down at a table with pen and paper to hand to make notes, and I like to thrash things out from end to end which may take a few hours. I generally listen to my original outlook on life and seem to get by happily with that. I have been willing to listen to other peoples' views - yet, no matter how convincing they may sound, it all seems to come back to the same old black and white reality. One of the few people I have admired and listened to carefully was a foreman of mine when I worked at Hatfield bus garage; he was a socialist of sorts, we talked of things in depth during our tea breaks. I have always been 'socialist minded' and have looked down on 'the false rich' (such as the Beckhams and Pippa) - yet I have no desire to help the lazy (gippos who uninvitedly spread their filth and then bugger off) nor people who claim poverty yet have the money for piercings and tattoos, booze and drugs. Capitalism is the way of nature and genes, but a healthy dose of socialistic values including decent education and health care for all makes a decent partner. I don't think anyone is stupid. Annoying sometimes maybe. Terry Pratchett's books you would LOVE. I know about these things. Start with the first one. Pippa and Beckham, pointless distraction, they aren't the ones employing 3 people on 16 hours in order to fill the hours and avoid employers NI. That's 3 people's lives made shite by having to get 3 part time jobs never getting any job security -they get taxed for their total 3 jobs, each employer trousers the employers NI. Greedy cunts, crap system. Probably these same employees wages are topped up with their own tax! Then the employer pays fuck all tax here and a few quid in Ireland. We're fucked if people choose to prattle on about gypsies, Indians and ... people with tattoos. Someone has to be on the dole. Better someone who accepts that and spends it on special brew than someone who actually wants to work.
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 16:15:23 GMT
Then there's house renting. What a fucking nightmare to be a renter. When I was a lad there was security of tenure and an easily accessible council fair rent tribunal system. Landlords were in it for life, not a quick buck.
Sort that lot out and everyone could calm down and have a nice life. Isn't that what the wanker politicians are supposed to be for?
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Post by JohnV on May 19, 2017 16:43:01 GMT
Then there's house renting. What a fucking nightmare to be a renter. When I was a lad there was security of tenure and an easily accessible council fair rent tribunal system. Landlords were in it for life, not a quick buck. Sort that lot out and everyone could calm down and have a nice life. Isn't that what the wanker politicians are supposed to be for? Lots of truth ...... trouble was 50 years ago it was too much the other way with too much protection and strictly limited rents. Lovely, it sounded in theory but the effect was to make unfurnished accommodation almost impossible to find as landlords were switching to furnished or part furnished as they weren't making money (even long term). It was as well impossible to get rid of bad tenants however bad they were, it didn't even end when they died as the spouse/children inherited the same right of tenure. It meant that less and less rented accommodation came onto the market. Then things swung the opposite way, council housing sold off, the money not used to build more and the market was thrown wide open and we end up with the scenario we have today with the buy to rent markets spiralling the rents upwards. Completely opposite scenario. Why is it that we never seem to get the balance right and have a sensible middle way
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 16:43:14 GMT
What Britain really needs is a socialist party - not the Old/New Labour-has beens - but a group of willing and dedicated politicians who really want to see the best for Britain and not just lining their pockets from the illegal backhanders from the Chinese Mafia or the Russian Mob. It's not going to happen, though, is it?I've helpfully crossed out the negative and needlessly distracting bit for you. I'm afraid we need PR. There's no other way we will have a hope of representation which is exactly why the power crazed twatty Tories and Labour are so against it. What? Give the electorate power? Madness!
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 16:51:56 GMT
I know some people will argue that with PR nothing gets done, but I say Hally-fuckin-lullya to that! The less politicians do the better. We've dumped the European tier, but that's not enough. Put a stop to politically extreme government on a five year limited trip to their particular brand of nonsense during which they unleash the full terrors for 3 years then spend a year free wheeling then suck up to the electorate by suddenly becoming slightly reasonable for a year. What an insane way to go on, a five year cycle of shite. It's not the way to stability for anyone, rich or poor and for those not cushioned by cash, it makes life endlessly uncertain.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 17:11:47 GMT
I know some people will argue that with PR nothing gets done, but I say Hally-fuckin-lullya to that! The less politicians do the better. We've dumped the European tier, but that's not enough. Put a stop to politically extreme government on a five year limited trip to their particular brand of nonsense during which they unleash the full terrors for 3 years then spend a year free wheeling then suck up to the electorate by suddenly becoming slightly reasonable for a year. What an insane way to go on, a five year cycle of shite. It's not the way to stability for anyone, rich or poor and for those not cushioned by cash, it makes life endlessly uncertain. I pretty much agree with you. Change should be because it is really needed and not be driven by politics. PR would help to sort that out - but the majority want a Strong Government.
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