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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 8:28:04 GMT
I think he's celebrating his freedom after CWDF.
Let's not put a downer on it.
I like folk who are willing to post.....even Foxy (some days).
Rog
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 10:19:38 GMT
I like Gigi posts, I'd be posting in much the same way if I could be arsed to stay up half the night to continue the conversations. I'm a bit sad to find there are so few (myself included) on here who can be bothered, but then we're a bit let down when it comes down to who we should shout for.
BTW this is a "parliamentary" democracy, i.e. any democracy going on is happening only in parliament, where the outcome is already decided. If anyone really believes that the country is democratic, why is it that as a nation we could broadly be said to hate all politicians. Voting for someone who then follows their own agenda (conscience?) in parliament "if you don't like it you can vote me out in 5 years" is a nod to democracy that is almost imperceptible. Vote one out and another takes it's place, another 5 years ignoring the electorate in our "parliamentary" democracy and doing their parliamentary party's bidding, not ours.
The EU referendum was the nearest thing to democracy I've seen in my lifetime and bugger me, the electorate voted AGAINST the parliamenery parties. That says it all.
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Post by gigoguy on May 19, 2017 10:23:02 GMT
Any anyway. If you're Scottish, fuck off and play with your own barmpots. We've got enough descendent here without you lot chipping in. The Tories haven't got a chance up there. I'll credit you with a bit of sense, as a race not an individual.... I said I lived in Scotland, not that I am Scottish. I was born in Birmingham and lived in Englandshire until I was 25 or so. Anyway whilst the tories won't get a majority of MPs I'm sure they will increase their vote significantly as labour is seen as no-hope and the tories are best for an anti-indyref2 vote. Of course if the U.K. voting system wasn't the ridiculous 1st past the post system, but more like the Scottish parliament system, your government's wouldn't get massive majorities and would have to mind their Ps and Qs a bit more. I thought you were Greek? And I thought you'd, or your name sake, would prefer an oligarchy? I think those of us who lean a little left of centre, have done enough fighting from afar. |
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Post by Telemachus on May 19, 2017 10:25:22 GMT
I said I lived in Scotland, not that I am Scottish. I was born in Birmingham and lived in Englandshire until I was 25 or so. Anyway whilst the tories won't get a majority of MPs I'm sure they will increase their vote significantly as labour is seen as no-hope and the tories are best for an anti-indyref2 vote. Of course if the U.K. voting system wasn't the ridiculous 1st past the post system, but more like the Scottish parliament system, your government's wouldn't get massive majorities and would have to mind their Ps and Qs a bit more. I thought you were Greek? And I thought you'd, or your name sake, would prefer an oligarchy? I think those of us who lean a little left of centre, have done enough fighting from afar. Ah, you are confusing this forum with reality! |
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Post by gigoguy on May 19, 2017 10:35:46 GMT
Ah, you are confusing this forum with reality! Yeah sorry! Who could possibly consider the Tory Manifiasco to have anything to do with reality?  |
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 10:45:35 GMT
Ah, you are confusing this forum with reality! Yeah sorry! Who could possibly consider the Tory Manifiasco to have anything to do with reality? The problem is that the Tories know they will win and that everyone is focussed on Brexit. I have no idea what else is in their manifesto and I suspect neither do all the voters cheerfully intending to vote them in because "Brexit means Brexit". If past performance is any indication, unless you're sitting pretty, stand by to be well and truly fucked over in all gov departments as more emphasis is put on paying your own way while continuing to be taxed at least as much as ever. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 10:55:58 GMT
The manifesto also talks about changes to winter fuel payments and changes to social care. Are these fully costed and well thought out policies - I'll let others decide. This link gives some of the background www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39973399 |
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Post by peterboat on May 19, 2017 11:14:36 GMT
I like Gigi posts, I'd be posting in much the same way if I could be arsed to stay up half the night to continue the conversations. I'm a bit sad to find there are so few (myself included) on here who can be bothered, but then we're a bit let down when it comes down to who we should shout for. BTW this is a "parliamentary" democracy, i.e. any democracy going on is happening only in parliament, where the outcome is already decided. If anyone really believes that the country is democratic, why is it that as a nation we could broadly be said to hate all politicians. Voting for someone who then follows their own agenda (conscience?) in parliament "if you don't like it you can vote me out in 5 years" is a nod to democracy that is almost imperceptible. Vote one out and another takes it's place, another 5 years ignoring the electorate in our "parliamentary" democracy and doing their parliamentary party's bidding, not ours. The EU referendum was the nearest thing to democracy I've seen in my lifetime and bugger me, the electorate voted AGAINST the parliamenery parties. That says it all. One mans food is anothers poison! I so no democracy with the EU its unelected leaders were the only ones that could make the rules didnt work for me so I voted to leave. If it was still the common market no eurocracy at all brussels etc didnt exist then it would be ok but the EU is a huge step to far and has no place in the world |
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 12:20:12 GMT
I like Gigi posts, I'd be posting in much the same way if I could be arsed to stay up half the night to continue the conversations. I'm a bit sad to find there are so few (myself included) on here who can be bothered, but then we're a bit let down when it comes down to who we should shout for. BTW this is a "parliamentary" democracy, i.e. any democracy going on is happening only in parliament, where the outcome is already decided. If anyone really believes that the country is democratic, why is it that as a nation we could broadly be said to hate all politicians. Voting for someone who then follows their own agenda (conscience?) in parliament "if you don't like it you can vote me out in 5 years" is a nod to democracy that is almost imperceptible. Vote one out and another takes it's place, another 5 years ignoring the electorate in our "parliamentary" democracy and doing their parliamentary party's bidding, not ours. The EU referendum was the nearest thing to democracy I've seen in my lifetime and bugger me, the electorate voted AGAINST the parliamenery parties. That says it all. One mans food is anothers poison! I so no democracy with the EU its unelected leaders were the only ones that could make the rules didnt work for me so I voted to leave. If it was still the common market no eurocracy at all brussels etc didnt exist then it would be ok but the EU is a huge step to far and has no place in the world I agree with all that but the problem now is either you are a Tory or completely disenfranchised. That's not democracy either. |
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Post by gigoguy on May 19, 2017 12:39:58 GMT
I like Gigi posts, I'd be posting in much the same way if I could be arsed to stay up half the night to continue the conversations. I'm a bit sad to find there are so few (myself included) on here who can be bothered, but then we're a bit let down when it comes down to who we should shout for. BTW this is a "parliamentary" democracy, i.e. any democracy going on is happening only in parliament, where the outcome is already decided. If anyone really believes that the country is democratic, why is it that as a nation we could broadly be said to hate all politicians. Voting for someone who then follows their own agenda (conscience?) in parliament "if you don't like it you can vote me out in 5 years" is a nod to democracy that is almost imperceptible. Vote one out and another takes it's place, another 5 years ignoring the electorate in our "parliamentary" democracy and doing their parliamentary party's bidding, not ours. The EU referendum was the nearest thing to democracy I've seen in my lifetime and bugger me, the electorate voted AGAINST the parliamenery parties. That says it all. You see that’s it. I totally agree. Why should I care? I’m not rich but I’m not badly off. I’ve got a half decent pension coz of a tory swindle made the greedy bastards give me some of it back. And I earn a bit when I need to. I don’t earn enough to pay tax, though as I was self-employed for a long time, didn’t even when I should have. (I’m not saint don’t get me wrong). I own my boat. I’m only 55 and don’t want for much. I bought a bottle of gas yesterday it was 28 quid……fuckin twenty eight quid. I use 2 maybe 3 a year. Kin el that’s nearly undred pound! I think my lad gives Npower or some thieving bunch of twats that a month for it. But my kids care. They care it costs em £5 to park every time they go and see their sick gran in hospital. They care that there are 40 kids in their children’s nursery and the poor teacher can’t hear herself think. They care that their boss can tell them at any minute they don’t want them in next week. And they care about a lot of other stuff that REAL PEOPLE have to contend with. They don’t give a tuppenny fuck about corporation tax, but they don’t want to have to sell their home to pay for my care! |
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Post by gigoguy on May 19, 2017 13:04:01 GMT
Oh It's GiGo by the way not GiGi. But thanks for the voice of reason at last.
It's an acronym
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Post by JohnV on May 19, 2017 13:15:06 GMT
One mans food is anothers poison! I so no democracy with the EU its unelected leaders were the only ones that could make the rules didnt work for me so I voted to leave. If it was still the common market no eurocracy at all brussels etc didnt exist then it would be ok but the EU is a huge step to far and has no place in the world I agree with all that but the problem now is either you are a Tory or completely disenfranchised. That's not democracy either. Tory or disenfranchised ? ...... It's hardly Theresa May's fault that the other party leaders are such a bunch of losers. As regards Gigi's post ..... To find the reason for overcrowding in nursery schools it is necessary to look at the reason why the number of children versus the expected number of children was so greatly out of step. You plan for a given growth from a population with such and such an age demographic. You then organise that amount of growth in teacher training and recruitment, plan building programs for new schools etc. Excellent , all sorted !!! Then some idiot goes and allows encourages !!! massive immigration and guess what, they're mostly youngsters, often couples who, surprise bloody surprise, start having children !!! It might come as a surprise to some but the lead in time for children is a damn sight shorter than the lead in time to build schools and train the teachers to run them !!! (and incidentally much the same holds true for housing stock/medical facilities et al) |
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Post by JohnV on May 19, 2017 13:16:37 GMT
sorry gigo missed your last post .... Ha Ha missed that ..... garbage in garbage out !!!  |
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Post by lollygagger on May 19, 2017 13:32:43 GMT
Oh It's GiGo by the way not GiGi. But thanks for the voice of reason at last. It's an acronym Typo, though if was after a barny I might have done it on purpose hoping it annoyed you a bit.  |
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Post by naughtyfox on May 19, 2017 15:11:16 GMT
this gigoguy person comes across as a very angry little man. does he lurk under bridges and snarl at passing boaters? He strikes me as a cross between kazbluesky (anyone remember him? Brit in Japan - on Carnalworld) and cds. All of a sudden he's in here bouncing from wall to wall like a frog on steroids. Still, his heart seems to be in the right place. |
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