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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 19:44:07 GMT
Interesting. You trust Corbyn to deliver the Brexit outcome that UKIP strove so hard for? Jeremy Corbyn isn't the candidate in my constituency. Ah right... Ok then what is her/his position on Brexit, hard/soft?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 1, 2017 19:51:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 19:58:38 GMT
Well firstly if I had known the name of the candidate and/or the constituency I could actually have googled it myself. Secondly, well what can one say, who wouldn't want what she does? Unless I am missing something there is a serious lack of substance re the EU in that little ditty. Not only that but what is there it's distinctly different from what UKIP claimed was at the heart of of social issues in this country and she is much more in line with what was being pointed out to Kippers many months/years ago. Im pleased.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 1, 2017 20:04:58 GMT
Unless I am missing something there is a serious lack of substance re the EU in that little ditty. You missed the bit where she says "Labour accepts the results of the EU referendum." ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 20:06:32 GMT
Unless I am missing something there is a serious lack of substance re the EU in that little ditty. You missed the bit where she says "Labour accepts the results of the EU referendum." ? No I didn't.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 1, 2017 20:10:24 GMT
He's behind you!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 1, 2017 20:14:15 GMT
In 2015 I voted for Nigel Farage, this time I voted for a Paki, you can't get much more "floating voter" than that.
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Post by gigoguy on Jun 1, 2017 21:24:13 GMT
With the election fast approaching, I have been considering the purpose of the various political threads on here and on CWDF. I tend to read most of them, but try not to get involved. It appears to me that all participants approach the discussion with already formed 'fixed' views, that rarely change. So I wonder what the purpose of such threads can be? Is it evangelical, in the hope of persuading the undecided, or more a statement of one's position? As I've said, I usually read them, so I'm not complaining, just wondering. Rog This is a very valid point. I think a lot of people have 'set' views and it's very difficult to change them. I do like to think I'm open minded, even though I do lean a little leftward in general. That doesn't mean that I can't be liberal on occasions. I've come across this site. It basically asks you which policies you agree with, but doesn't tell you which party they are from. After you've filled in the survey it tells you which of the parties you agree with in which measure. So for instance I was quite high labour but also green and lib dem. Not enough to sway me from labour but I was surprised. voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey/1/select-issues
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 1, 2017 22:01:26 GMT
That might well be true. Corbyn on the other hand, fails to see that 'investment' (read borrowing) achieves a new injustice to replace the existing one. Heaping additional debt on those too young to work at the moment, or those that are still just a flutter in their future parent's eyes. Which injustice is greater, I wonder. The national debt has increased massively since the Tories came into power. The Tories have been unable to reduce immigration despite their promises. Why do you assume Labour would be worse? Simply because the Tories plan modest increases in public spending, having dropped their objective of balancing the books. I think that's a mistake personally, the books should always be balanced. I know that's out of tune with the spend spend spend mentality of the majority, but there you go. Labour on the other hand are planning to increase spending in so many areas that I'd be here for ages typing it all out. It's all called 'investment' of course but the nature of investment is that it gives a return greater than the sum staked, so to speak. The majority of Labour's pledges are not investments, they are components in a spending spree, that can only be paid for by huge additional borrowing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 6:57:20 GMT
So I'll ask again.
You posters who have endorsed a political party on this thread, have you done so with the hope of persuading others to do the same, to merely show your current allegiance, or to show why those who oppose are wrong?
As with all other political threads, I have seen nothing to indicate that anyone has changed their view.
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Post by patty on Jun 2, 2017 7:33:07 GMT
So I'll ask again. You posters who have endorsed a political party on this thread, have you done so with the hope of persuading others to do the same, to merely show your current allegiance, or to show why those who oppose are wrong? As with all other political threads, I have seen nothing to indicate that anyone has changed their view. Rog I guess by the time most post on forums such as this, the views they hold they have held for donkeys years and possibility of swaying folk like these is diddly squat.... People such as myself have bendable views and open to persuasion..problem with me is I go for the more likeable character...which in this case is neither..so its been a difficult choice and in the end went for the one I think maybe could probably sort out best Brexit deal... All the electoral promises ref police on streets, NHS etc etc I ignore cos heard it all before..same crubbish churned out election after election...also ignore all the attempts to blacken candidates..that goes under childish immature behaviour.... I'm not really into politics
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Post by peterboat on Jun 2, 2017 8:06:33 GMT
Unless I am missing something there is a serious lack of substance re the EU in that little ditty. You missed the bit where she says "Labour accepts the results of the EU referendum." ? No they dont I was watching QT last night if Corbyn gets in he is going to spread his buttocks and say to the EU shag me!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 8:25:13 GMT
So I'll ask again. You posters who have endorsed a political party on this thread, have you done so with the hope of persuading others to do the same, to merely show your current allegiance, or to show why those who oppose are wrong? As with all other political threads, I have seen nothing to indicate that anyone has changed their view. Rog I thought I'd tried to answer this in my post. The bottom line is that some will be more prepared to modify their views than others. However, if I'd had relatives or friends killed or injured due to a particular brand of politics I would find it much harder to change my stance (unless it was the political regime I previously endorsed which killed them).
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Post by kris on Jun 2, 2017 8:26:39 GMT
I think people are forgetting the history of ni, for instance Peter why are Catholics a minority? Is it because the occupying english imported lots of Scottish Protestants and gave them the land, which was forcefully taken from the original inhabitants. I know this was along time ago, but it's impossible to talk about the troubles in the 70's and 80's without looking at the history.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 8:31:56 GMT
So I'll ask again. You posters who have endorsed a political party on this thread, have you done so with the hope of persuading others to do the same, to merely show your current allegiance, or to show why those who oppose are wrong? As with all other political threads, I have seen nothing to indicate that anyone has changed their view. Rog Yes, I certainly hoped to give some undecided voters a nudge. I was saying, 'it's OK to vote Labour' I don't mind if Labour are still in opposition after the election, I do want to boost Corbyn and his fresh approach.
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