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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 16:36:48 GMT
One thing that I don't think has been mentioned and I think it should be is full marks to the police for killing these guys whilst not accidentally shooting a member of the public. The scenes sound utterly chaotic and it is a testimony to their training that they managed to kill three attackers in a crowded urban location in very quick succession and ensure nobody else was caught up in the line of fire. I'm not sure if this is the case. Evidently, one member of the public sustained a bullet wound. All the same, given the situation the police faced on arrival, I would agree they performed professionally. With hundreds of people about, and someone running amoc with a knife and what looked like a suicide belt, the police in my view had only one option, shoot to kill.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 16:40:32 GMT
One thing that I don't think has been mentioned and I think it should be is full marks to the police for killing these guys whilst not accidentally shooting a member of the public. The scenes sound utterly chaotic and it is a testimony to their training that they managed to kill three attackers in a crowded urban location in very quick succession and ensure nobody else was caught up in the line of fire. I'm not sure if this is the case. Evidently, one member of the public sustained a bullet wound. All the same, given the situation the police faced on arrival, I would agree they performed professionally. With hundreds of people about, and someone running amoc with a knife and what looked like a suicide belt, the police in my view had only one option, shoot to kill. I concede I wasnt aware of that injury but I guess if correct given the circumstances it was possibly almost inevitable? It seems correct. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-terror-attack-police-accidentally-shot-member-of-public-response-injured-met-latest-a7772396.html
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Post by phil70 on Jun 4, 2017 16:42:23 GMT
Here is another thought Martin, why not say what you mean instead of trying to be all mysterious and cryptic. Phil Here's another one Phil - why don't you just 'do one' and go and watch the Simpsons or something. Ha Ha Ha, reading your response says "I can't think of any reasonable reply" Phil
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Post by faffer on Jun 4, 2017 17:22:25 GMT
I agree it is ridiculous, it just makes me fume that nothing is being done. What i mean by that is that they know of thousands of these scum bags, even if they have preached in the streets then they need rid of them now. Not wait until they do the acts they do which then it is to late. They new of the recent Manchester bomber, now if they gor rid of him the 22 lives and other all the others injured would not of happened. Get rid of "them" how exactly? Bearing in mind they were probably born in the U.K., UK passport holders, U.K. citizens. Or perhaps you have in mind concentration camps complete with gas chambers to keep the food bills down? Your irrational thinking is, I appreciate, just lashing out, but bear in mind that such thought processes are very similar to those in the minds of the terrorists who just want to lash out against what they see as injustices and attrocities. Ah well never mind then, you seem to just want to put up with them killing folk for no apparent reason. It makes me sick how things work in the UK. I would rather have the scum foreigners kicked out atleast, the UK born scum sent to the country they wish to preach about what religion it is meant to be and blow each other up all they want or dumped on an island far away. Just what i think should happen to protect our citizens. No use in pussy footing about like the government are doing. screw EU laws and human rights for these low life scum. Animals are treated worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 17:33:43 GMT
One thing that I don't think has been mentioned and I think it should be is full marks to the police for killing these guys whilst not accidentally shooting a member of the public. The scenes sound utterly chaotic and it is a testimony to their training that they managed to kill three attackers in a crowded urban location in very quick succession and ensure nobody else was caught up in the line of fire. ................ and deprive the little shits of the publicity of a trial. I doubt you'll ever see many trials of a terrorist. There is a danger they might tell the truth.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 4, 2017 17:35:06 GMT
Get rid of "them" how exactly? Bearing in mind they were probably born in the U.K., UK passport holders, U.K. citizens. Or perhaps you have in mind concentration camps complete with gas chambers to keep the food bills down? Your irrational thinking is, I appreciate, just lashing out, but bear in mind that such thought processes are very similar to those in the minds of the terrorists who just want to lash out against what they see as injustices and attrocities. Ah well never mind then, you seem to just want to put up with them killing folk for no apparent reason. It makes me sick how things work in the UK. I would rather have the scum foreigners kicked out atleast, the UK born scum sent to the country they wish to preach about what religion it is meant to be and blow each other up all they want or dumped on an island far away. Just what i think should happen to protect our citizens. No use in pussy footing about like the government are doing. screw EU laws and human rights for these low life scum. Animals are treated worse. Hitler thought much the same about the Jews. The Islamic terrorists think much the same about you. If you want to have a self-indulgent rant on here then fine - that's what this place is for. But don't kid yourself that it would be any sort of viable solution. And of course the terrorists want you to think like this - you are so easily manipulated! Or we could have a more intelligent debate such as: What has the government done with the 20,000 plus folk who are "on the radar" for their extremist views? Answer, it seems, is watch and wait until they plan to commit an atrocity and hope to stop them just in time. Which is pretty lame and reactive. How about something proactive such as putting some money into deradicalisation programmes? I guess that will be lumped into putting money into mental health services, something which seems an anathema to the Brits (who will cite "pull yourself together" as the free alternative).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 17:40:48 GMT
Has anyone thought about why it is happening? Could it be the UK policy of interfering in matters which are none of our business, like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc. We interefere because we want things to be to our advantage and frequently leave a vacuum behind. Then we bomb countries and run away killing anyone who happens to be there. What would you be saying if some country took it into their mind to bomb the UK because ..... You would be wanting retaliation and would be happy with every person killed. That is just what is happening in the UK today with every attack, they are retaliating for our bombing etc. We've been taking the piss out of other nations for ages. The American regime is better at it though. Yes, a lot of truth there.
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Post by faffer on Jun 4, 2017 17:43:16 GMT
Ah well never mind then, you seem to just want to put up with them killing folk for no apparent reason. It makes me sick how things work in the UK. I would rather have the scum foreigners kicked out atleast, the UK born scum sent to the country they wish to preach about what religion it is meant to be and blow each other up all they want or dumped on an island far away. Just what i think should happen to protect our citizens. No use in pussy footing about like the government are doing. screw EU laws and human rights for these low life scum. Animals are treated worse. Hitler thought much the same about the Jews. The Islamic terrorists think much the same about you. If you want to have a self-indulgent rant on here then fine - that's what this place is for. But don't kid yourself that it would be any sort of viable solution. And of course the terrorists want you to think like this - you are so easily manipulated! Or we could have a more intelligent debate such as: What has the government done with the 20,000 plus folk who are "on the radar" for their extremist views? Answer, it seems, is watch and wait until they plan to commit an atrocity and hope to stop them just in time. Which is pretty lame and reactive. How about something proactive such as putting some money into deradicalisation programmes? I guess that will be lumped into putting money into mental health services, something which seems an anathema to the Brits (who will cite "pull yourself together" as the free alternative). I didnt realise Jews went blowing folk up for no reason. So is that why Hitler was a sycho ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 18:06:47 GMT
Hitler thought much the same about the Jews. The Islamic terrorists think much the same about you. If you want to have a self-indulgent rant on here then fine - that's what this place is for. But don't kid yourself that it would be any sort of viable solution. And of course the terrorists want you to think like this - you are so easily manipulated! Or we could have a more intelligent debate such as: What has the government done with the 20,000 plus folk who are "on the radar" for their extremist views? Answer, it seems, is watch and wait until they plan to commit an atrocity and hope to stop them just in time. Which is pretty lame and reactive. How about something proactive such as putting some money into deradicalisation programmes? I guess that will be lumped into putting money into mental health services, something which seems an anathema to the Brits (who will cite "pull yourself together" as the free alternative). I didnt realise Jews went blowing folk up for no reason. So is that why Hitler was a sycho ? The Jews didn't go blowing up folks with no reason to start with. Hitler, and the people who stood by him didn't like the fact many Jews had a lot of money. What happened after that caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. I have read the story of Hitler and like many 'well meaning warriors' it eventually went to his head.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 18:07:43 GMT
Ah well never mind then, you seem to just want to put up with them killing folk for no apparent reason. It makes me sick how things work in the UK. I would rather have the scum foreigners kicked out atleast, the UK born scum sent to the country they wish to preach about what religion it is meant to be and blow each other up all they want or dumped on an island far away. Just what i think should happen to protect our citizens. No use in pussy footing about like the government are doing. screw EU laws and human rights for these low life scum. Animals are treated worse. Hitler thought much the same about the Jews. The Islamic terrorists think much the same about you. If you want to have a self-indulgent rant on here then fine - that's what this place is for. But don't kid yourself that it would be any sort of viable solution. And of course the terrorists want you to think like this - you are so easily manipulated! Or we could have a more intelligent debate such as: What has the government done with the 20,000 plus folk who are "on the radar" for their extremist views? Answer, it seems, is watch and wait until they plan to commit an atrocity and hope to stop them just in time. Which is pretty lame and reactive. How about something proactive such as putting some money into deradicalisation programmes? I guess that will be lumped into putting money into mental health services, something which seems an anathema to the Brits (who will cite "pull yourself together" as the free alternative). Doctor doctor I feel like a pair of curtains. Oh do pull yourself together ! sad fact is that attacks like these serve certain peoples' agendas very nicely - even if they pretend to condemn them they are a very very useful tool.
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Post by patty on Jun 4, 2017 18:21:54 GMT
This topic generates strong views.... We live in a troubled world..with the increasing mobility of population so called 'religious wars' are now fought on our doorstep..before the battleground was 'over there' now it's here and we all have to learn to deal with what is happening on our doorstep. The fact that a terrorist went out and committed murder leaving wife and 2 small children is awful...they have no regard for their own family..how can his wife live in a community when this man has done something like this..... Whether she gets benefits is unimportant..she has to live with the consequences of his actions... I just hope her children are not radicalised...maybe for her the best would be to return her to the country she perhaps would be accepted in.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 4, 2017 18:32:13 GMT
I am struggling with it as well like Patty I just cant see any good coming out of their actions. Before long we will be come fortress UK if this continues, and as time goes on these people will be hunted down like dogs with the mob shouting for more blood with each death!! It sounds far fetched doesnt it? but in truth it wouldnt take many more of these bombings and murdering of innocents to achieve the above. Its so sad that Jaynes daughter in law now wont go to either London or Manchester because of these incidents. The musical I went to see yesterday in Manchester was sold out but lots of empty seats,so already our way of life is changing little by little. It wouldnt surprise me if UKIP does well in the GE because of these murders very strange times we live in.
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Post by bills on Jun 4, 2017 18:48:09 GMT
................ and deprive the little shits of the publicity of a trial. I doubt you'll ever see many trials of a terrorist. There is a danger they might tell the truth. What do you think they would say?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 19:26:12 GMT
I doubt you'll ever see many trials of a terrorist. There is a danger they might tell the truth. What do you think they would say? If they could come back from the grave, they well might say who made them do it. That's always been the thIng about brainwashing young people into suicide missions.
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Post by bills on Jun 4, 2017 19:39:26 GMT
What do you think they would say? If they could come back from the grave, they well might say who made them do it. That's always been the thIng about brainwashing young people into suicide missions. In that case, it would be in the interests of the police to take them alive then, wouldn't it? There are plenty ot terrorist who have been taken alive, one of the Glasgow airport bombers and Lee Rigby's killers come to mind.
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