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Post by bodger on Jul 19, 2017 6:47:11 GMT
I am as atheist as it is possible to be. In 30 years time I will be dead, and the same thing will happen to me as an ant, or a hamster, or a cat which is dead, namely I will become rotting organic material or cremated dust and there will be no afterlife or anything like that. I think that only people who are unhappy in this life hope for a better life in the next one. I concur, but .............................. there is an afterlife, and for some it is quite long-lasting if not eternal. when you die the memory of you lives on with your family and friends, and that memory may be passed down to others if you were particularly evil or kind. that for me is heaven or hell, because once you die there is nothing you can do to change it. I would not want to die knowing that I was hated by anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 8:48:55 GMT
One thought about the question of whether there might be an afterlife or not. Before anything existed (before the Big Bang), we didn't exist either. Yet somehow we now exist. So we have already shown that our existence has come from 'non existence', what is stopping it from happening again in the future? Maybe it's happened to us many times before! Actually a lot of is dependant on what existence is. What makes us, us? If our memory was completely wiped out, would we still feel the same person inside? When the brain dies, is there still something left which could carry on? As has just been said, a part of us carries on in those we leave behind. Is there a spirit or consciousness of us which also carries on The thing is, our consciousness and awareness of ourselves actually disappears every time we go into deep sleep. Yet, magically, it comes back to us when we wake up. Perhaps the brain is just a container for it?! I think Mr Stabby's comment about there being a difference between the outlook of people who believe in an afterlife or not, is probably true. Would someone want to be a suicide bomber if they knew there was no afterlife. Do we live life to the max when we believe it's the only one we've got? All a bit heavy man, but it's interesting stuff. I'm quite interested in the philosophy that we may all be part of a combined consciousness and everything we experience isn't actually physical. I suppose a bit like in the matrix film except there being no real 'physical' world to jump to. It would help explain a lot of mysteries except...where did that consciousness come from in the first place? I think the honest answer, is nobody really knows...and maybe that's not such a bad thing really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 8:56:12 GMT
Oh God! Where is my pint...
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Post by patty on Jul 19, 2017 9:04:59 GMT
Makes for interesting topic to explore..probably best if sitting comfortably with glass of summat in a pub...this is the closest I get to that nowadays...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 9:05:15 GMT
Oh God! Where is my pint... It's a bit early for that! You wait and see what crap I can come up with when I've been drinking... (tell me about it, I hear someone think..)
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 19, 2017 9:44:44 GMT
I am as atheist as it is possible to be. In 30 years time I will be dead, and the same thing will happen to me as an ant, or a hamster, or a cat which is dead, namely I will become rotting organic material or cremated dust and there will be no afterlife or anything like that. I think that only people who are unhappy in this life hope for a better life in the next one. I would not want to die knowing that I was hated by anyone. Kiss and hug from Foxy Woxy x
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Post by Saltysplash on Jul 19, 2017 10:11:07 GMT
Posted on behalf of the dog... Unquestionably it is Thor. Show me another god that randomly attacks us for no reason at all. Na, Thor isnt attacking us, he is battling with the Jotun who are trying to get into Midgard. He is defending us. The worst has to be the Abrahamic God. He insists all his followers denounce the existence of all other Gods. He tells his followers that they must obey him or suffer for eternity. He demands to be worshipped with bowed cowed heads. He tell his followers that prayers to him will change anything . He tells his followers that they are free to choose their way but then threatens to punish any who dont follow his way. He says whatever you ask in my name you shall have it, but people still suffer disease, famine, deformaties, floods, fire, and all other ills that this world has to offer. He sits back and watches children suffer because......its all in his plan........basically he is a Cunt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 11:19:13 GMT
Posted on behalf of the dog... Unquestionably it is Thor. Show me another god that randomly attacks us for no reason at all. He sits back and watches children suffer because......its all in his plan........basically he is a Cunt.Β Quite a few human parents are like that. Atheists can't really blame any God because that would be hypocritical, so who do you blame for the worlds suffering then? It must be something we're doing, or not doing. Despite all the shit in this life, there is s lot of beauty in it if we look for it. It's a glass half full or half empty thing in the end. That decision is ours to make.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jul 19, 2017 13:52:28 GMT
I dont blame anyone or anything for things beyond mans control. Its just the way it is. What i do criticise is the dogma that keeps people repressed and unable to be strong for themselves because "its Gods will" or "god mustve neededanother angel in heaven" or the dogma that teaches some things happen because God has been insulted or displeased.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 19, 2017 13:57:04 GMT
I met a very religious couple in Leeds at an electric lock which wouldn't work. I turned it off, waited 10 seconds and turned it on again and then it did work. I thought it was shutting it down which had reset it and got it to work but the lady told me that it was because she had said a prayer to God. I thought "Where the fuck were you and God when I had that mattress wrapped round my prop last week?"
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 19, 2017 14:16:22 GMT
The Witch disapproves, but I have said that if I get to Heaven I shall be chasing God round the table with my axe, and Jesus is gonna get a black eye too. Amen.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 19, 2017 15:05:02 GMT
I am the God of hellfire and I bring you... FIRE, ba ba ba ba ba ba.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 19, 2017 15:27:11 GMT
.....Cthulhu !!! ...... by a mile
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:46:51 GMT
Β .....Cthulhu !!! ...... by a mileΒ They bastardised the spelling but it's the right god, an epic track and an awesome album π΅πΌπ
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:55:50 GMT
Robert Ingersoll put it brilliantly................
" We have already compared the benefits of theology and science. When the theologian governed the world, it was covered with huts and hovels for the many, palaces and cathedrals for the few. To nearly all the children of men, reading and writing were unknown arts. The poor were clad in rags and skins -- they devoured crusts, and gnawed bones. The day of Science dawned, and the luxuries of a century ago are the necessities of today. Men in the middle ranks of life have more of the conveniences and elegancies than the princes and kings of the theological times. But above and over all this, is the development of mind. There is more of value in the brain of an average man of today -- of a master-mechanic, of a chemist, of a naturalist, of an inventor, than there was in the brain of the world four hundred years ago. These blessings did not fall from the skies. These benefits did not drop from the outstretched hands of priests. They were not found in cathedrals or behind altars -- neither were they searched for with holy candles. They were not discovered by the closed eyes of prayer, nor did they come in answer to superstitious supplication. They are the children of freedom, the gifts of reason, observation and experience -- and for them all, man is indebted to man. "
-- Robert Green Ingersoll, "God in The Constitution"
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