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Post by faffer on Jul 19, 2017 18:03:13 GMT
There are no such things as gods, good or bad, IMO
But folk that think there are such thing as a god and use it to harm other living things then that is the worst god.
I believe in me and make my own choice in life, i dont let or need a non existent thing tell me what i need to do or know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 18:03:48 GMT
Robert Ingersoll put it brilliantly................ " We have already compared the benefits of theology and science. When the theologian governed the world, it was covered with huts and hovels for the many, palaces and cathedrals for the few. To nearly all the children of men, reading and writing were unknown arts. The poor were clad in rags and skins -- they devoured crusts, and gnawed bones. The day of Science dawned, and the luxuries of a century ago are the necessities of today. Men in the middle ranks of life have more of the conveniences and elegancies than the princes and kings of the theological times. But above and over all this, is the development of mind. There is more of value in the brain of an average man of today -- of a master-mechanic, of a chemist, of a naturalist, of an inventor, than there was in the brain of the world four hundred years ago. These blessings did not fall from the skies. These benefits did not drop from the outstretched hands of priests. They were not found in cathedrals or behind altars -- neither were they searched for with holy candles. They were not discovered by the closed eyes of prayer, nor did they come in answer to superstitious supplication. They are the children of freedom, the gifts of reason, observation and experience -- and for them all, man is indebted to man. "
-- Robert Green Ingersoll, "God in The Constitution"Nothing more to add to that except 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 18:11:24 GMT
Robert Ingersoll put it brilliantly................ and for them all, man is indebted to man. "
What not even the occasional fox.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 19, 2017 18:55:46 GMT
You got Fox's biscuits ain't ya?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:20:33 GMT
I dont blame anyone or anything for things beyond mans control. Its just the way it is. What i do criticise is the dogma that keeps people repressed and unable to be strong for themselves because "its Gods will" or "god mustve neededanother angel in heaven" or the dogma that teaches some things happen because God has been insulted or displeased. Yes, religion is used by certain individuals to control people. So is it the message of love and peace which is wrong, or those who abuse the message for their own aim?
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Post by bodger on Jul 19, 2017 20:25:33 GMT
I met a very religious couple in Leeds at an electric lock which wouldn't work. I turned it off, waited 10 seconds and turned it on again and then it did work. I thought it was shutting it down which had reset it and got it to work but the lady told me that it was because she had said a prayer to God. I thought "Where the fuck were you and God when I had that mattress wrapped round my prop last week?" nah !! god has a monopoly on all good deeds, the rest of us are c*nts.
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Post by bodger on Jul 19, 2017 20:36:42 GMT
if, as seems likely from the posts here, the majority of us are atheists and actually believe that 'god; is the root of so much evil, why don't we rise up en masse and publicly condemn the cruel and evil abrahamaic god?
If 'soshulmeedya' can persuade folk to vote for Corbyn, to contribute to an irresponsible boatowner who allowed a hirer to sink her uninsured narrowboat, and to elect a lying bully to the arguably most powerful position on Earth, then it can't be that difficult to persuade folk to rise up against all the false prophets and their 'god'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:44:00 GMT
if, as seems likely from the posts here, the majority of us are atheists and actually believe that 'god; is the root of so much evil, why don't we rise up en masse and publicly condemn the cruel and evil abrahamaic god? If 'soshulmeedya' can persuade folk to vote for Corbyn, to contribute to an irresponsible boatowner who allowed a hirer to sink her uninsured narrowboat, and to elect a lying bully to the arguably most powerful position on Earth, then it can't be that difficult to persuade folk to rise up against all the false prophets and their 'god'. I would but I've got to wash my hair.
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Post by lollygagger on Jul 19, 2017 20:48:48 GMT
I dont blame anyone or anything for things beyond mans control. Its just the way it is. What i do criticise is the dogma that keeps people repressed and unable to be strong for themselves because "its Gods will" or "god mustve neededanother angel in heaven" or the dogma that teaches some things happen because God has been insulted or displeased. Yes, religion is used by certain individuals to control people. So is it the message of love and peace which is wrong, or those who abuse the message for their own aim? What message of love and peace? You have a utopian view of religion I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:56:42 GMT
if, as seems likely from the posts here, the majority of us are atheists and actually believe that 'god; is the root of so much evil.../quote] How can an atheist hate something they don't believe exists? There is a serious point here, I think there are people who believe God doesn't exist and those who blame God when things go wrong or because their trust was abused when they grew up. My faith is not based on any doctrine, it's based on being grateful for the opportunity to have this experience (warts and all) and the result of 'calling out for help' after a few close shaves. I've not experienced the electric lock miracle thogh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:01:28 GMT
Yes, religion is used by certain individuals to control people. So is it the message of love and peace which is wrong, or those who abuse the message for their own aim? What message of love and peace? You have a utopian view of religion I think. My view of 'religion'? I don't believe in religion, it's a man made thing!
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 19, 2017 21:03:30 GMT
On every canal bridge in Leeds someone has painted 'Hari Krishna'. Someone else has added 'is gay'.
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Post by Jim on Jul 20, 2017 13:45:26 GMT
Religions are usually a way for little men to get power, control and money. God is the excuse. Some do perform good deeds but that can and does happen without being in god's name. Met 2 nice young American boys on the street, "scuse me boys, I had a dream last night, I am god's representative, give me a tithe and you can have lots of wives!" They looked at me as though I was the mad one, then the penny dropped. Off they scuttled.
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Post by bodger on Jul 20, 2017 16:18:40 GMT
Religions are usually a way for little men to get power, control and money. God is the excuse. Some do perform good deeds but that can and does happen without being in god's name. Met 2 nice young American boys on the street, "scuse me boys, I had a dream last night, I am god's representative, give me a tithe and you can have lots of wives!" They looked at me as though I was the mad one, then the penny dropped. Off they scuttled. I wonder what kind of visa those witnesses of jehovah need in order to bother us Brits with their idea of a divinity? The last time a couple of the satchel carrying shirt and tie clad young men knocked on my door and asked if I could spare time to talk about god for a few minutes I said 'of course' and immediately started lecturing them about the Christians' false concept of a god. They made their excuses as soon as it was polite to do so and scuttled off.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 20, 2017 16:56:56 GMT
On every canal bridge in Leeds someone has painted 'Hari Krishna'. Someone else has added 'is gay'. Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare.
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